Show that ##pV^\gamma## is a constant for an adiabatic process

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the expression ##pV^\gamma## remains constant during an adiabatic process. The subject area includes thermodynamics, specifically the behavior of gases under adiabatic conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature in adiabatic processes, utilizing partial derivatives and differentiating equations. There is a focus on the implications of the ideal gas law and the specific heat capacities. Questions arise regarding the applicability of the derived relationship to non-ideal gases.

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Some participants have provided steps leading to the conclusion that ##pV^\gamma## is constant, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the ideal gas behavior and its implications for non-ideal gases. The discussion appears to be productive, with various interpretations and approaches being explored.

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Participants note that the method being followed is specified by the textbook, indicating a constraint on the approach. There is also mention of the need to clarify the role of ideal gas assumptions in the derived relationship.

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Homework Statement
Show that ##pV^\gamma## is a constant for an adiabatic process
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Assume that gases behave according to a law given by ##pV = f(T)##, where ##f(T)## is a function of temperature. I have derived the following results:

##\displaystyle\left(\frac{\partial p}{\partial T}\right)_V=\frac{1}{V}\frac{\partial f}{\partial T}## ----------------------- (1)

##\displaystyle\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_p=\frac{1}{p}\frac{\partial f}{\partial T}## ----------------------- (2)

##\displaystyle\left(\frac{\partial Q}{\partial V}\right)_p=C_p\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial V}\right)_p## ----------------------- (3)

##\displaystyle\left(\frac{\partial Q}{\partial p}\right)_V=C_V\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial p}\right)_V## ----------------------- (4)
Now,

## \displaystyle dQ=\left(\frac{\partial Q}{\partial p}\right)_V dp+\left(\frac{\partial Q}{\partial V}\right)_p dV##

In an adiabatic change, ##dQ=0##.

So, ## \displaystyle\left(\frac{\partial Q}{\partial p}\right)_V dp+\left(\frac{\partial Q}{\partial V}\right)_p dV=0##

Using (3) and (4),

##\displaystyle C_V\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial p}\right)_V dp+C_p\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial V}\right)_p dV=0##

Dividing this equation by ##C_V##, we get

##\displaystyle\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial p}\right)_V dp+\gamma \left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial V}\right)_p dV=0##

How do I proceed?

Note: I know there may be lots of ways (some easier than this) of showing that ##pV^\gamma## is a constant for an adiabatic process. But this is the method required by my textbook.
 
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If pV = f(T) then, differentiating with respect to p with V held constant, <br /> V = f&#039;(T) \left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial p}\right)_V and vice-versa <br /> p = f&#039;(T) \left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial V}\right)_p.
 
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pasmith said:
If pV = f(T) then, differentiating with respect to p with V held constant, <br /> V = f&#039;(T) \left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial p}\right)_V and vice-versa <br /> p = f&#039;(T) \left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial V}\right)_p.

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Substituting these 2 results into ##\displaystyle\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial p}\right)_Vdp+\gamma\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial V}\right)_p dV=0##, we get

##\displaystyle\frac{V}{f'(T)}dp+\gamma\frac{p}{f'(T)}dV=0##

##\implies Vdp+\gamma pdV=0##

Dividing both sides by ##pV##,

##\displaystyle\frac{dp}{p}+\gamma\frac{dV}{V}=0##

Integrating, we get

##\ln p+\gamma\ln V=##constant

##\implies\ln p+\ln V^\gamma=##constant

##\implies\ln pV^\gamma=##constant

##\implies pV^\gamma=##constant

QED

One question though: Where have we used the fact that the gas is an ideal gas? Or does ##PV^\gamma=##constant hold for adiabatic processes of non-ideal gases as well?
 
An ideal gas is a special case of pV = f(T) where f(T) = nRT.
 
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alexmahone said:
Thanks!

Substituting these 2 results into ##\displaystyle\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial p}\right)_Vdp+\gamma\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial V}\right)_p dV=0##, we get

##\displaystyle\frac{V}{f'(T)}dp+\gamma\frac{p}{f'(T)}dV=0##

##\implies Vdp+\gamma pdV=0##

Dividing both sides by ##pV##,

##\displaystyle\frac{dp}{p}+\gamma\frac{dV}{V}=0##

Integrating, we get

##\ln p+\gamma\ln V=##constant

##\implies\ln p+\ln V^\gamma=##constant

##\implies\ln pV^\gamma=##constant

##\implies pV^\gamma=##constant

QED

One question though: Where have we used the fact that the gas is an ideal gas? Or does ##PV^\gamma=##constant hold for adiabatic processes of non-ideal gases as well?
It doesn't hold for non-ideal gases.
 
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