Show that the intersection is a pp -Sylow subgroup

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the intersection of a normal subgroup \( N \) of a group \( G \) and a \( p \)-Sylow subgroup \( S \) of \( G \) is itself a \( p \)-Sylow subgroup of \( N \). The focus is on theoretical aspects of group theory, particularly related to Sylow theorems and subgroup properties.

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  • One participant suggests using Frattini's Argument and questions whether the relationship \( G = NN_G(P) = N_G(P)N \) is helpful in the proof.
  • Another participant outlines a series of steps involving the orders of the groups and the application of Lagrange's theorem to show that \( [N:N\cap S] \) is coprime with \( p \), leading to the conclusion that \( N\cap S \in \text{Syl}_p(N) \).
  • A similar argument is reiterated by another participant, reinforcing the steps taken and expressing confidence in the correctness of the reasoning.

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Participants generally agree on the steps taken in the reasoning, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the overall argument, as some participants express uncertainty by asking if everything is correct.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of normal subgroups and Sylow subgroups, as well as the application of Lagrange's theorem, which may depend on specific definitions and conditions not fully explored in the posts.

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Hey! :o

I want to show that if $S\in \text{Syl}_p(G)$ and $N\trianglelefteq G$, then $N\cap S\in \text{Syl}_p(N)$. Could you give me some hints how we could show that? (Wondering)

Do we maybe use Frattini's Argument? (Wondering)
From that we have that since $N\trianglelefteq G$ and $S\in \text{Syl}_p(G)$, $G=NN_G(P)=N_G(P)N$, right? (Wondering)
But does this help us? (Wondering)
 
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I have done the following:

Since $S\in \text{Syl}_p(G)$, i.e., $S\leq G$, and $N\trianglelefteq G$ we have that $NS\leq G$.

We have that $|NS|=\frac{|N||S|}{|N\cap S|}\Rightarrow \frac{|NS|}{|S|}=\frac{|N|}{|N\cap S|}\Rightarrow [NS:S]=[N:N\cap S]$

Since $S\in \text{Syl}_p(G)$ we have that $[G:S]$ is coprime with $p$.
We have that $[G:S]=[G:NS][NS:S]$.
Since $[NS:S]\mid [G:S]$, $[N:N\cap S]=[NS:S]$ is coprime with $p$.
Since $N\cap S\leq S$, from Lagrange's theorem we have that $|N\cap S|\mid |S|$.
Since $S\in \text{Syl}_p(G)$, if $|G|=p^na$, with $p\not\mid a$, then $|S|=p^n$.
Then $|N\cap S|=p^m$, with $0<m\leq n$.
Since $|N\cap S|=p^m$ and $[N:N\cap S]$ is coprime with $p$, we have that $N\cap P\in \text{Syl}_p(N)$.

Is everything correct? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
I have done the following:

Since $S\in \text{Syl}_p(G)$, i.e., $S\leq G$, and $N\trianglelefteq G$ we have that $NS\leq G$.

We have that $|NS|=\frac{|N||S|}{|N\cap S|}\Rightarrow \frac{|NS|}{|S|}=\frac{|N|}{|N\cap S|}\Rightarrow [NS:S]=[N:N\cap S]$

Since $S\in \text{Syl}_p(G)$ we have that $[G:S]$ is coprime with $p$.
We have that $[G:S]=[G:NS][NS:S]$.
Since $[NS:S]\mid [G:S]$, $[N:N\cap S]=[NS:S]$ is coprime with $p$.
Since $N\cap S\leq S$, from Lagrange's theorem we have that $|N\cap S|\mid |S|$.
Since $S\in \text{Syl}_p(G)$, if $|G|=p^na$, with $p\not\mid a$, then $|S|=p^n$.
Then $|N\cap S|=p^m$, with $0<m\leq n$.
Since $|N\cap S|=p^m$ and $[N:N\cap S]$ is coprime with $p$, we have that $N\cap P\in \text{Syl}_p(N)$.

Is everything correct? (Wondering)

It looks like it to me.
 
Deveno said:
It looks like it to me.

Ah ok... Thank you! (Smile)
 

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