Showing a set is linear dependent without calculations

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The discussion centers on demonstrating that the set of vectors [(1 3 0)', (2 2 1)', (-1 0 1)', (1 -3 1)'] is linearly dependent without calculations. It highlights the theorem that states a set of vectors is linearly dependent if it contains more vectors than the dimension of the space they occupy, which is R^3 with a dimension of 3. The initial misunderstanding about the theorem's implications is clarified, emphasizing the need for precise definitions in mathematics. The user expresses challenges in grasping linear algebra concepts and seeks tips for better understanding. Ultimately, the conclusion is reached that the set is indeed linearly dependent due to having four vectors in a three-dimensional space.
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Homework Statement



Without any calculation, explain why [(1 3 0)' (2 2 1)' (-1 0 1)' (1 -3 1)' ] is a linear dependent set.



The Attempt at a Solution



I used the theorem which states that the number of vectors in any linearly dependent set is greater than or equal to its dimension. But I cannot use any calculations to find the sets basis and consequently its dimension.

I am finding linear algebra challenging due to the theorems presented. There are too many theorems and some of them are difficult to comprehend! Any tips for this topic will be greatly appreciated as well. Thanks!
 
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potetochippu said:

Homework Statement



Without any calculation, explain why [(1 3 0)' (2 2 1)' (-1 0 1)' (1 -3 1)' ] is a linear dependent set.



The Attempt at a Solution



I used the theorem which states that the number of vectors in any linearly dependent set is greater than or equal to its dimension.
This is incorrect. For example, the set of just two vectors {(1 3 0), (2 6 0)} is dependent. What is correct is the "converse", that if a set of vectors has more vectors than the dimension of the vector space then they are dependent, which has hypothesis and conclusion reversed from what you have: "if p then q" is NOT the same as "if q then p".

But I cannot use any calculations to find the sets basis and consequently its dimension.
A "set" does not have a basis! These vectors all have three components so are in R3. Do you know what the dimension of R3 is?

I am finding linear algebra challenging due to the theorems presented. There are too many theorems and some of them are difficult to comprehend! Any tips for this topic will be greatly appreciated as well. Thanks!
You seem to have great difficulty just learning the basic definitions. Mathematics, not just Linear Algebra, requires precision. You need to learn the precise words of definitions and theorems.

I'm not sure what you mean by "too many theorems". Theorems are what mathematics is all about. If you do not like mathematics, which is what you seem to be saying, then I do not understand why you are taking Linear Algebra.
 
Ok. I believe I have the correct answer now after carefully rereading the definitions and theorems.

The set is in R^3. The dimension of the space R^3 is 3. The numbers of vectors in a linearly independent set of a vector space is less than or equal to the dimension of the vector space. And since the number of vectors in this set is greater than the dimension of its vector space it cannot be linearly independent.

Thanks for the advice about precision, I really need to keep that in mind.
 
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