Simple Harmonic Motion of a block

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving simple harmonic motion of a block system, where a smaller block rests on a larger block that is attached to a spring. The goal is to determine the maximum amplitude of oscillation for the larger block such that the smaller block remains stationary relative to it, considering the effects of static friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the equations of motion relevant to simple harmonic motion and the forces acting on the blocks. There is a focus on the role of static friction and whether additional dimensions of the contact surface are necessary for calculations. Some participants question the assumption that the velocity of the smaller block must be zero.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some have calculated the static friction force and are considering how to relate it to the spring force and acceleration. There is no explicit consensus yet, but various lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants note the importance of the coefficient of static friction and the need to understand the forces acting on both blocks. The original poster has provided equations and a free body diagram, but there are questions about the assumptions made regarding the motion of the smaller block.

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A 0.50 kg block sits on top of a 5.00-kg block that rests on the floor. The larger block is attached to a horizontal spring that has a force constant of 15.0 N/m. It is displaced and undergoes simple harmonic motion. What is the largest possible amplitude the 5.00-kg mass can have for the smaller mass to remain at rest relative to the larger block? The coefficient of static friction between the two blocks is 0.25. There is no friction between the larger block and the floor.

I have all the equations:

[tex]x(t) = A\cos(\omega(t) + \phi)[/tex]
[tex]v(t) = -A\omega\sin(\omega(t)+\phi)[/tex]
[tex]a(t) = -A\omega^{2}\cos(\omega(t)+\phi)[/tex]
[tex]T = \frac{1}{f}[/tex]
[tex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}[/tex]
[tex]T = 2\pi\sqrt{\frac{m}{k}}[/tex]

I drew a free body diagram. I know that the velocity of the smaller block has to be 0. The force the spring exerts on the lower block has to be less than the friction force for the velocity to be 0.

Any help would be appreciated.

note: It should be [tex]\omega(t)[/tex]

Thanks
 
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Do we not also need the dimensions of the contact surface between the two blocks? The static friction force is dependent on this information isn't it?
 
I determined the static friction force to be [tex]f_{s} = (0.25)(0.5 kg)(9.8\frac{m}{s^{2}}) = 1.225 N[/tex]

So do I just set this equal to:
[tex]1.225 N = (15.0 \frac{N}{m} )(x)[/tex], and solve for x?

thanks
 
courtrigrad said:
A 0.50 kg block sits on top of a 5.00-kg block that rests on the floor. The larger block is attached to a horizontal spring that has a force constant of 15.0 N/m. It is displaced and undergoes simple harmonic motion. What is the largest possible amplitude the 5.00-kg mass can have for the smaller mass to remain at rest relative to the larger block? The coefficient of static friction between the two blocks is 0.25. There is no friction between the larger block and the floor.

I have all the equations:

[tex]x(t) = A\cos(\omega(t) + \phi)[/tex]
[tex]v(t) = -A\omega\sin(\omega(t)+\phi)[/tex]
[tex]a(t) = -A\omega^{2}\cos(\omega(t)+\phi)[/tex]
[tex]T = \frac{1}{f}[/tex]
[tex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}[/tex]
[tex]T = 2\pi\sqrt{\frac{m}{k}}[/tex]

I drew a free body diagram. I know that the velocity of the smaller block has to be 0.
No! Why would that be true??
The force the spring exerts on the lower block has to be less than the friction force for the velocity to be 0.

Any help would be appreciated.

note: It should be [tex]\omega(t)[/tex]

Thanks

What you must do is to focus on the smaller block. You must have [itex]\sum F_x = m a_x[/itex]. The only force in the x direction is the friction force (the normal force cancels gravity). Now, you know that the friction force must be smaller or equal to [itex]\mu_s N[/itex]. Therefore, you can find the maximum acceleration...Once you know the maximum acceleration of the two blocks, you are almost there...
 
One has to determine the maximum lateral acceleration that the blocks can experience without the smaller block moving.

You found the friction force, Fs between the smaller block and the larger block. Now, the lateral for F = ma = Fs for the small block to remain stationary. With ma = [itex]\mu\,mg[/itex], one finds that

a = [itex]\mu\,g[/itex].

From the spring equation F = M a = k x, one can find that the maximum force (and therefore maximum acceleration) corresponds to the maximum displacement (amplitude).

Thus x = Ma/k, but the key here is on what mass M is the spring acting.
 

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