Simple Linear Algebra question

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a line that is perpendicular to the line represented by the equation 2x - 4y + 7 = 0 and passes through the point P(7,2). The subject area is linear algebra, specifically focusing on concepts related to lines, slopes, and normal vectors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the identification of normal vectors and their relationships, questioning whether these vectors are collinear or perpendicular. There are attempts to derive the Cartesian equation of the desired line using various vector properties and point substitutions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, exploring different interpretations of vector relationships. Some guidance has been offered regarding the properties of normal vectors and their implications for the lines in question, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the definitions of collinearity and perpendicularity in the context of normal vectors. Additionally, participants express uncertainty about their fundamental understanding of Cartesian equations and the relationships between lines.

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Homework Statement



A line is perpendicular to the line 2x - 4y + 7 = 0 and that passes through the point P(7,2). Determine the equation of this line in Cartesian form.

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3. The Attempt at a Solution
Okay, so how I generally believe how to solve these problems may be wrong but I'm not sure.
1.The normal vector is (2, -4) so by using this info i found the directional vector to be (4,2)
2. After finding the directional vector, i used the dot product to find a vector that is perpendicular to (4,2) so i got (-2,4). I believe that this vector must be parallel to (2,-4) because otherwise it doesn't make sense(atleast to me)
3. After finding the normal vector to (4,2), i used this information to simulate part of the Cartesian Equation.
4. -2x + 4y = -C; What I did from here was use the specific point i was given (7,2) and implemented it into the x and y values. I got -2(7) + 4(2) = -6
5. My cartesian equation is essentially -2x + 4y -6 = 0.

I'm getting the right answers for some questions but the wrong one for this one, can anyone help out?
 
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Arnoldjavs3 said:

Homework Statement



A line is perpendicular to the line 2x - 4y + 7 = 0 and that passes through the point P(7,2). Determine the equation of this line in Cartesian form.

Homework Equations



n/a
3. The Attempt at a Solution
Okay, so how I generally believe how to solve these problems may be wrong but I'm not sure.
1.The normal vector is (2, -4) so by using this info i found the directional vector to be (4,2)
Right there, you can use (4,2) as the normal vector to your perpendicular line so try ##4x+2y = C## and make it pass through your point.
 
Okay i see, but it looks like my fundamental understanding of the problem is incorrect, or I simply don't understand the cartesian equation.

Line 1's normal vector is -2,4
Line 2's normal vector is 4,2
Are these normal vectors collinear or perpendicular? I assumed they had to be collinear
Because ((4)(2) + (-4)(2)) = 0; I'm confused about this.
 
Arnoldjavs3 said:
Okay i see, but it looks like my fundamental understanding of the problem is incorrect, or I simply don't understand the cartesian equation.

Line 1's normal vector is -2,4
Line 2's normal vector is 4,2
Are these normal vectors collinear or perpendicular? I assumed they had to be collinear
Because ((4)(2) + (-4)(2)) = 0; I'm confused about this.
If the lines are perpendicular their normal vectors are perpendicular. That's why their dot product is zero. Draw a picture.
 
Yes that was what i was wondering; Thanks for your help.
I assumed that they could be either perpendicular, or the normal vectors could be collinear as well.
 
Arnoldjavs3 said:
Yes that was what i was wondering; Thanks for your help.
I assumed that they could be either perpendicular, or the normal vectors could be collinear as well.

You don't talk about vectors being collinear. You probably mean parallel. Points can be collinear, meaning in a straight line. And, of course, if the normal vectors were parallel, the lines would be parallel, not perpendicular.
 
I know, i was unable to communicate it properly. I know that for any pair of lines, their angles between their normal vectors will be the same. Again, thanks for the help
 
Another way of looking at this- although it is no longer "Linear Algebra" just "Calculus":
The line 2x- 4y= 7 can be rewritten as y= (1/2)x- 7/4. It has slope 1/2. A line perpendicular to it must have slope -2. So you want to find a line with slope -2, through point (7, 2). Perhaps you can use that to check your answer.
 

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