Simple question about radioactivity equation

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The discussion revolves around the radioactivity equation A = A0e^(-ln(2)t/T1/2) and how to determine the initial activity (A0) of a radioactive sample when the initial number of atoms (N0) is unknown. Participants explore methods for calculating activity based on given measurements and half-lives, as well as the implications of integrating activity over time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the calculation of A0 when N0 is not known, suggesting that one could extrapolate from counts measured at different times.
  • One participant proposes using chemical analysis methods to identify elements and radionuclides, indicating a multi-faceted approach to determining activity.
  • Another participant presents a specific problem involving a sample with a known half-life and total counts over a time interval, asking for thoughts on finding the initial activity.
  • Several participants discuss the integration of activity over time to find the total counts, referencing the relationship between activity and the number of decaying atoms.
  • There is a suggestion that the counts during the measurement period can be used to derive A0, but the method involves complex calculations and assumptions about the decay process.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to define A(t2) and its relationship to the total counts measured.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to work out the integral for activity during the measurement period, reiterating the importance of understanding the expressions for A(t) and N(t).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to calculate A0 or the specifics of how to interpret the measurements. Multiple competing views and approaches remain, particularly regarding the integration of activity and the definitions of variables involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the assumptions made about the decay process and the need for clear definitions of terms like A(t) and N(t). The discussion reflects various interpretations of the radioactivity equation and its application to specific problems.

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In the radiactivity equation A = A0e-ln(2)t/T1/2 How do I get A0? Is that just ln(2)N0/T1/2? What if I don't know the initial number of atoms in the sample? Thanks...
 
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StudioSaturn said:
In the radiactivity equation A = A0e-ln(2)t/T1/2 How do I get A0? Is that just ln(2)N0/T1/2? What if I don't know the initial number of atoms in the sample? Thanks...

If one does not know No at to, one counts at A or N at t1 and t2, and then extrapolate back to to. One would also could also determine the relative amounts of decaying nuclide and daughter. Elements can be identified by chemical analysis, e.g., emission spectroscopy (perhaps with ICP) or mass spectrometry, and radionulides can be identified by characteristic radiation emissions. Usually one does a combination of analyses.
 
hmm... Ok so here's the question from my book then.
A sample X with Half-life 7.5min is measured from t1 = 3 min to t2=13 min. The total number of counts during those 10min is 34650. They want me to find the activity of the sample at t0=0... Any thoughts? Thanks for your help!
 
StudioSaturn said:
hmm... Ok so here's the question from my book then.
A sample X with Half-life 7.5min is measured from t1 = 3 min to t2=13 min. The total number of counts during those 10min is 34650. They want me to find the activity of the sample at t0=0... Any thoughts? Thanks for your help!

If one is given the total counts between two times, then integrates the activity over time, i.e., between t1 and t2

N = [itex]\int_{t_1}^{t_2} A(t) dt[/itex], and one should know the expression for A(t) = λ N(t), and one know the expression for N(t) related to No.
 
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StudioSaturn said:
hmm... Ok so here's the question from my book then.
A sample X with Half-life 7.5min is measured from t1 = 3 min to t2=13 min. The total number of counts during those 10min is 34650. They want me to find the activity of the sample at t0=0... Any thoughts? Thanks for your help!
Note that in general:

Quantity = Rate X Time

Shorthand,

Q = R t

or, in differential form:

dQ = R dt

And,

Q = Intergral [R dt]

On your case

R = A(t)

and you can find Ao.
 
Ok, so the A(t2) = A(t1)*e-[itex]\lambda[/itex]t2 and solve for A(t1). But what is A(t2)? 34650/10min?
Then A(t1) = A(t0)*e1[itex]\lambda[/itex]t1 and solve for A(t0) correct?
 
StudioSaturn said:
Ok, so the A(t2) = A(t1)*e-[itex]\lambda[/itex]t2 and solve for A(t1). But what is A(t2)? 34650/10min?
Then A(t1) = A(t0)*e1[itex]\lambda[/itex]t1 and solve for A(t0) correct?
No.

One needs to work out the integral for the activity during the period from t1 to t2.
Astronuc said:
N = [itex]\int_{t_1}^{t_2} A(t) dt[/itex], and one should know the expression for A(t) = λ N(t), and one know the expression for N(t) related to No.
The counts = 34650 represents all the decays during that period, which is found by integrating the activity A(t) between the two times. Work out the integral.

Remember A(t) = λ N(t). But what is the expression for N(t)?
 

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