Simple statistics combinations/permutation problem

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The problem involves selecting a cricket team from a group of 20 players, which includes batsmen, bowlers, and wicket keepers, under specific constraints regarding the minimum number of each type of player required. The discussion focuses on calculating combinations and permutations based on these constraints.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the constraints of selecting at least 5 batsmen, 4 bowlers, and 1 wicket keeper, questioning how to ensure these requirements are met in their calculations. There is mention of using combinations and the multiplicative rule to approach the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have begun calculating specific cases for part (a) of the problem, exploring different combinations of player types. There is an ongoing examination of the correctness of their calculations and the implications of the constraints on their approaches. The discussion remains open with no clear consensus yet.

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Participants note confusion regarding the constraints and how they affect the selection process, particularly when considering injured players in part (b) of the problem. There is a recognition that the total number of available players will change based on the injuries mentioned.

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Homework Statement



A touring ‘Blue Caps’ party of 20 cricketers consists of 9 batsmen, 8 bowlers and 3 wicket keepers. A
team of 11 players must be chosen from the players such that there are at least 5 batsmen, 4
bowlers, and 1 wicket keeper. How many different teams can be selected?
(a) if all the players are fit for selection,
(b) if 2 batsmen and 1 bowler are injured and cannot play?

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The Attempt at a Solution



This problem is simple but for some reason I'm stuck...so I guess not easy after all (for me)

We've only practiced with questions that ask a certain a certain combination from a set amount n. The contraints on the last part of that question confuse me, how do we ensure that each amount of those are selected?

Am I just over-reading the question? Is it just as simple as 20C11 on the calculator?
 
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Gameowner said:

Homework Statement



A touring ‘Blue Caps’ party of 20 cricketers consists of 9 batsmen, 8 bowlers and 3 wicket keepers. A
team of 11 players must be chosen from the players such that there are at least 5 batsmen, 4
bowlers, and 1 wicket keeper. How many different teams can be selected?
(a) if all the players are fit for selection,

(b) if 2 batsmen and 1 bowler are injured and cannot play?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



This problem is simple but for some reason I'm stuck...so I guess not easy after all (for me)

We've only practiced with questions that ask a certain a certain combination from a set amount n. The contraints on the last part of that question confuse me, how do we ensure that each amount of those are selected?

Am I just over-reading the question? Is it just as simple as 20C11 on the calculator?

Reply for part (a): If (i,j,k) = numbers of (batsmen, bowlers, keepers) we must have either (i) (6,4,1), (ii) (5,5,1), or(iii) (5,4,2). How many choices do you have in case(i)? In case (ii)? In case (iii)?

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
Reply for part (a): If (i,j,k) = numbers of (batsmen, bowlers, keepers) we must have either (i) (6,4,1), (ii) (5,5,1), or(iii) (5,4,2). How many choices do you have in case(i)? In case (ii)? In case (iii)?

RGV

Since they're independent.

i)24
ii)25
iii)40

so 89?
 
Gameowner said:
Since they're independent.

i)24
ii)25
iii)40

so 89?
Show your work.

RGV
 
Opps done it slightly wrong, I'll just do i).

(6,4,1) using combinations and multiplicative rule.
= C(9,6)*C(8,4)*C(3,1)
=17,640

Seems a bit wrong...
 
Gameowner said:
Opps done it slightly wrong, I'll just do i).

(6,4,1) using combinations and multiplicative rule.
= C(9,6)*C(8,4)*C(3,1)
=17,640

Seems a bit wrong...
It's exactly right.

RGV
 
Seemed a bit too large...

So for the total, you would add up all 3 combinations that can generate correct?

and for b), it would be the exact same approach but the totals would decrease by the amounts specified?

Thanks for the help.
 

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