Simplifying a two-particle system to a one-body problem

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The discussion focuses on simplifying a two-particle system into a one-body problem by expressing the positions of the particles in terms of the center of mass and relative coordinates. The confusion arises when applying derivatives to these new variables, particularly in understanding how to use the chain rule with respect to the center of mass and relative coordinates. A key point is that the derivatives must account for the dependencies of the new variables on the original coordinates. The notation used can be misleading, as it represents operators acting on functions, which can complicate the understanding of the mathematical process. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the chain rule in this context to derive the necessary relationships between the derivatives.
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Griffiths Introduction to Quantum Mechanics, 3rd ed. Problem 5.1: "A typical interaction potential depends only on the vector displacement r=r1-r2 between the two particles: V(r1, r2) --> V(r). In that case the Schrödinger equation separates, if we change variables from r1, r2 to r and
R=(m1r1+m2r2)/(m1+m2) (the center of mass).

a) Show that r1=R+(μ/m1)r, r2=R-(μ/m2)r, and ∇1=(μ/m2)∇R+∇r, ∇2=(μ/m1)∇R-∇r"
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∇=i(d/dx)+j(d/dy)+k(d/dz)
The first part is actually fine. You just note that since
r=r1+r2
that means
r1=r+r2 and r2=r1-r
and you substitute that into the center of mass, R, and simplify to get
r1=R+(μ/m1)r, and r2=R-(μ/m2)r

But the next part is where I'm very confused.
The general idea is that you want to prove
1 = (μ/m2)∇R + ∇r and ∇2 = (μ/m1)∇R - ∇r

But you really only need to do this for one component of ∇, so you let
r1 = (x1, y1, z1); r2 = (x2, y2, z2); R = (X, Y, Z); and
r = (x, y, z)

and this is where I get confused. The solution posted by my professor said that
d/dx1 = (dX/dx1)(d/dX) + (dx/dx1)(d/dx)

This looks vaguely like the chain rule, but it isn't anything I've seen before. He told me that, since x and X are function of x1, their derivatives need to be taken into account when taking d/dx1. I don't really know what to make of that. I think I just straight up don't understand the math. He said "that's just how we take derivatives," but I don't think I've ever seen a derivative defined like that before.
 
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Hello @batclocks, :welcome: !

You have a $$\Psi({\bf r}_1, {\bf r}_2) = \Psi(x_1, y_1, z_1,x_2, y_2, z_2)$$ that you now write as
$$\Psi'({\bf R}, {\bf r}) = \Psi'\bigl ({\bf R}(x_1, y_1, z_1,x_2, y_2, z_2), {\bf r}(x_1, y_1, z_1,x_2, y_2, z_2)\bigr )$$

The first component of ##\nabla_1## is ##\displaystyle {\partial \Psi\over\partial x_1}\ ##, ##\ \ ##the first component of e.g. ##\nabla_R## is ##\displaystyle {\partial \Psi'\over\partial R_x}\ ##, ##\ \ ##and -- now comes this chain rule -- you get:
$${\partial \Psi\over\partial x_1} = {\partial \Psi'\over\partial R_x} {\partial R_x\over\partial x_1} + {\partial \Psi'\over\partial r_x} {\partial r_x\over\partial x_1} = (\nabla{\bf R})_x {\mu\over m_2} +(\nabla{\bf r})_x$$

and that's all. What is confusing to ordinary folks like me is the notation: you have to imagine all these things are operators: they work on a function ##\Psi## (c.q. ##\Psi'##) that you have to fill in yourself.

If this still causes trouble, look at ##f(x) = cos( 2x)##, substitute ##y = 2x## and look at ##\displaystyle {d\over dx} g(y) ##

(then you also see why I use a ##\Psi## and a ##\Psi'## )
 
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BvU said:
$${\partial \Psi\over\partial x_1} = {\partial \Psi'\over\partial R_x} {\partial R_x\over\partial x_1} + {\partial \Psi'\over\partial r_x} {\partial r_x\over\partial x_1}$$
Okay, in this case you've written it in a different order and it makes tons of sense. The way I have it written up there is $${\partial \over\partial x_1} = {\partial R_x\over\partial x_1}{\partial \over\partial R_x} + {\partial r_x\over\partial x_1}{\partial \over\partial r_x}$$

But (and I didn't think of it this way until you threw they ##\Psi'## in there) you can just switch the order because it's only multiplication, which is commutative (duh).

And the thing that would lead you to express ##{\partial \over\partial x_1}## operator in this way is the fact that we know we are acting on a ##\Psi'## that is a function of R and r.

Thank you so much for the help!
 
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