Dale said:
Respondents have two choices, either we can answer a different question, or we can try to get you to improve your question. If we answer a different question then there is the impression that we are being evasive. If we try to get you to improve your question then there is the impression that we are giving you crap.
I don’t know a way to avoid one of those outcomes.
Hey, Dale, my phrasing was poor and I actually didn't mean it in a mean way (to clarify: I didn't believe you guys were being mean). Don't worry about it—you can continue to give me crap. :-)
Dale said:
He very carefully specified the frame and the quantity using standard language in a way to convey a unique meaning.
Well, I tried to make sure my frames (
inertial frames at that) were carefully specified. I'll admit to using
simultaneous where Weiss uses
at the same time. These sound equivalent to my ear.
The puzzle is that I can create what looks like an
at-the-same-time correspondence between an event in A's and B's frame. B receives a video from A and calculates when the video was sent. The time the video was received and the calculated time it was sent are all
from B's inertial frame of reference. The contents of the video establish what looks to me like a non-theoretical correspondence of B to A. I have never claimed that A would agree with any of this only that this is B's view of an
at-the-same-time mapping.
Nor am I worried about a gap in the A, B, C scenario. B and C could both record the entire 10 year transmission from A. They would each have a mapping of the entire sequence and their mappings would be different, agreeing only when they meet at M. Splicing the videos together would clearly be artificial and only to show the point that we are changing reference frames.
Again, there might be some hair-splitting distinction as to whether a correspondence established by this method has any "real" meaning. If it is reproducible and repeatable, I can live with it. I am perfectly fine with the idea that someone in a different frame might completely disagree; I tried to make sure I always said that the correspondence was in one inertial frame and went one way only.
Ibix said:
A does not do anything at time t. He can't, because coordinate time isn't a real thing, just a convention. What he actually does is send a signal when his ship's clock shows a time he interprets as meaning he's reached the event we've agreed to call t. We deliberately picked the coordinate time in A's rest frame to be the same as A's clock readings, but that doesn't mean that the coordinates and the clock readings are the same thing: A can always choose to accelerate, or maybe never zeroed his clock and just adds the appropriate offset whenever he has to talk to anyone else about time coordinates.
Interesting. Now my unwary response would that if A accelerates, we have stepped out of my experiment into a different one. And if clock time and coordinate time can't be said to have any real-world correspondence, then I would hate to planning the next space mission to some distant rock. I'm OK with the clock being "close enough" to the perfection of coordinate time. If the answer is within so many significant digits, I can live with it. Same for the
at-the-same-time correspondence. This all seems like nit-picking: even if we can't build a perfect clock, it seems like a big jump to claim that there is no good-enough correspondence. And, in a thought-experiment, I c
an have a clock that perfectly matches coordinate time.