Single phase ac motor on dc supply?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of operating a single-phase AC motor, specifically a transfer pump, using a 12V DC power source. Participants explore the challenges associated with using an inverter and the potential for directly connecting batteries to the motor.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the setup involving a single-phase AC motor running on 110V and expresses a desire to connect it to a 12V DC source for convenience.
  • Another participant suggests that the inverter's batteries may be faulty, questioning the inverter's ability to handle the motor's load.
  • A participant speculates that the initial current draw required by the AC motor during startup could be overloading the inverter.
  • One participant asserts that it is not possible to run an AC motor directly from a DC source and recommends either finding a compatible pump or acquiring a new inverter.
  • There is a suggestion that the inverter's power rating might be a peak output rather than a continuous rating, which could explain the issues faced.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of running the AC motor on a DC source, with some asserting it is not feasible while others explore the condition of the inverter and batteries. No consensus is reached regarding the best solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the uncertainty regarding the motor's specifications, particularly whether it can accept both AC and DC inputs. There is also mention of the need for load testing the batteries to confirm their condition.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals dealing with motor applications, inverter systems, or those exploring alternative power sources for AC motors.

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ive got a single phase ac motor that runs on 110V and i'd like to run it on a 12v dc source. basically its a transfer pump for a school bus that runs on vegetable oil, and we currently have to find an outlet to plug the pump into every time we go behind restaurants to fill up our tank. id like to just hook it up to the bus battery but don't know exactly how to do so. we have a 5000 watt inverter which oddly doesn't work, it can't handle the draw from the pump. there are six 12v batteries wired in parallel that the inverter is hooked up to but of course i'd prefer to just wire those batteries somehow directly to the pump. there is more info on the pump here http://transfer.tuthill.com/Products/OilPumps/LTKoilmore.asp and LP50P36Q115 is the model number. any thoughts? thanks!
 
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I bet the batteries in your inverter are bad. It should be able to handle your load (115v at 12amp).
 
you're right, it should. but for some reason it doesn't. the batteries were fully charged, and i even had the bus running the alternator to provide extra power. i think the 5000w rating on the inverter may be a peak output rating and not a constant output. in any case, I'm wondering if there's a way to just hook the batteries directly to the motor. I am almost 100 percent sure its a single phase ac motor but i haven't taken it apart or anything so i don't know if it may be the type that can take both ac and dc inputs.
 
Just an idea, but maybe the huge initial 'kick' that an AC motor requires when it first starts is overloading the inverter.
 
You're not going to be able to run your AC motor with a DC source. Either get a pump that is powered by a 12v source or get a new inverter. Eventhough your batteries in your existing inverter appear to be good (you say fully charged) you can't really know until you put each one to a load test. I still say your batteries are bad (maybe just one or two leading to a overall decrease in current capability). You should take each one out of the circuit and take it to someone who knows how to load test them, if you don't have a tester yourself.
 

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