What is the approximate size of a Helium atom at a temperature of 10^(-9)K?

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The discussion centers on estimating the size of a helium atom at an extremely low temperature of 10^(-9)K. One participant attempts to use the equipartition theorem and zero-point energy concepts but finds their calculations incorrect. Another contributor clarifies that temperature does not directly affect atomic size and suggests applying the Heisenberg uncertainty principle to determine the uncertainty in the atom's position. They also mention the de Broglie wavelength in relation to Bose-Einstein condensates (BECs) and compare their results to a solution manual that states a diameter of 60 micrometers. The conversation emphasizes the complexities of atomic behavior at such low temperatures.
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Can anyone help me to find an approximation to the size of a He atom at very low temperature (10^(-9)K)?

My attempt:

At this very low temperature all electrons will be in the ground state, thus using the equipartition theorem:

1/2kT = h*c/lambda

now, for the zero point energy, lambda is 1/2 the diameter of the Helium atom.
However, this approach does not yield the correct answer.

I have had a look at several textbooks, but couldn't find any hints in there.
Thanks a lot for your help! :smile:
 
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mmh37 said:
Can anyone help me to find an approximation to the size of a He atom at very low temperature (10^(-9)K)?

My attempt:

At this very low temperature all electrons will be in the ground state, thus using the equipartition theorem:

1/2kT = h*c/lambda

now, for the zero point energy, lambda is 1/2 the diameter of the Helium atom.
However, this approach does not yield the correct answer.

I have had a look at several textbooks, but couldn't find any hints in there.
Thanks a lot for your help! :smile:
Temperature, being a statistical concept, is not defined for an atom. I don't see how temperature would affect the size of any atom.

But, assuming this question is asking what the uncertainty of a He atom's position would be if it had a kinetic energy in the range of He atoms in He gas at 10^-9 K, you would have to apply the Heisenberg uncertainty principle:

\Delta x \Delta p = \hbar/2

You would have to work out \Delta p[/tex] from the energy range - which is roughly 0 &lt; E &lt; kT. Using E = p^2/2m would give \Delta p = \sqrt{2mE} = \sqrt{2mkT}<br /> <br /> So<br /> <br /> \Delta x = \frac{\hbar}{\sqrt{8mkT}}AM
 
I believe the question may be referring to the de Broglie wavelength (this might be the preamble to a discussion of BECs), which is of the same order as the number calculated by AM.
 
it is indeed, as the question then asks to compare this with BEC.

However, the solution manual says that d = 60 um, but with the uncertainty principle I got 2.45 *10^(-7)m ?
 
I get a number that's pretty close to 60um (I get p ~ 10^{-29} Ns). You must have made a numerical error. If you still can't find the error, post your calculation here, and someone will point it out.
 
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