So do you risk talking to her about fat?

[Loren Booda]

Woman naturally have about twice the fat content as men. Endomorphic women are generally more fertile than ectomorphic women.

 

[FrancisZ]

If you are OK you could technically afford to tell anyone "you are fat", "buy a mirror" or "you are a walking heart attack" without loosing a gram of weight.

Well, in theory, you could do or say anything, incidental, to anyone, if you so choose. But, to paraphrase...

"Why in the name of god [would you] do that...[unless, of course, you'd really want someone to think you're an egomaniac?]"

Besides, "really muscular and thin" at the same time is a contradiction. Models are thin. Maybe you mean muscular and low body fat?

To illustrate my point: take, for example, the two separate renditions of "Mr. Incredible" from that famous Pixar film, "The Incredibles."

Firstly, Mr. Incredible, in his younger form...

And second, here's another, only older...

[PLAIN]http://www.daimation.com/photos/fatmrincredible.jpg

While he obviously seems to be maintaining musculature in the arms (to be slightly more precise); I would certainly no longer regard him as being especially trim, or "thin" (if you please), in the waist.

These of course, are only cartoons. But still: I've known actual people to be of similar enough persuasion, to want to make the analogy.

Btw, riding a bike won't do anything for your leg strength. If you want strength, learn to squat.

Frankly, I can't without laughing. To me, it always looks (and sounds) as though someone were severely constipated, and trying to make do (pun very highly intended).

And I am somehow sure that a military bootcamp does a bit more than 48 push-ups in a day. Maybe you mean 48 in a single set ?

At least according to this wiki article...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Physical_Fitness_Test" ...the minimum is 42 for men aged 17-21.

 

[Office_Shredder]

At least according to this wiki article...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Physical_Fitness_Test" ...the minimum is 42 for men aged 17-21.

That's a single set of pushups that you are required to be able to do, not 42 pushups over the course of a whole day. Anybody could do 48 pushups in a day by doing one every 15 minutes for 12 hours

 

[FrancisZ]

That's a single set of pushups that you are required to be able to do, not 42 pushups over the course of a whole day. Anybody could do 48 pushups in a day by doing one every 15 minutes for 12 hours

I didn't actually say that; he (DanP) implied that I said that.

 

[DanP]

I didn't actually say that; he (DanP) implied that I said that.

Sorry I didnt implied you said that, I only pointed out that 48 pushups /day are a joke, and in an army boot camp it sounds sound ludicrous.

IIRC corectly, US AFT requires in push ups for a score of 100 in the 37 - 41 age group 75 pushups in a time frame of 2 minutes.

 

[jackmell]

There is no "truth" here.

There is opinion. Possibly educated, possibly not, but inevitably baised.

I disagree. I think there is truth: fat women suffer emotionally in American culture because of how they are treated due to their weight.

Also, even though most of you disapprove of my idea, I've not changed my opinion about the matter and in fact have come up with a method of attack: I would tell my young daughter a "story" about a little girl who gets fat and some of the problems she encounters because of that: the other girls make fun of her, she can't play volleyball because she moves too slow, they tease her when she's in her bathing suit, and none of the boys ask her to dance at the 5th grade dance except when the teachers force everyone to get a partner and dance.

And to reiterate, the risk of approaching this subject is that it "back-fires" and she develops some type of eating disorder: better to have her a little overweight than anorexic or bulemic . . . Jesus, I'd rather keep my mouth shut before that happens.

 

[DaveC426913]

And to reiterate, the risk of approaching this subject is that it "back-fires" and she develops some type of eating disorder: better to have her a little overweight than anorexic or bulemic . . . Jesus, I'd rather keep my mouth shut before that happens.

No, the risk of backfire is that she develops weight issues because her father is overly critical of her looks instead of unconditionally-loving and supportive of her accomplishments. Her confidence issues manifest in her being overweight as a way of controlling her own life.

This is a classic parent folly.

 

[jackmell]

No, the risk of backfire is that she develops weight issues because her father is overly critical of her looks instead of unconditionally-loving and supportive of her accomplishments. Her confidence issues manifest in her being overweight as a way of controlling her own life.

This is a classic parent folly.

I would not be critical of her if she became fat, but rather just as loving if she were not and that's what I'd suggest to parents. I wish to get the idea across to not make this fat thing into a big deal. Bring it up here and there and if she does have weight issues, not be critical of her but rather guide her in ways that might be of help to resolve the issue without force, intimidation, or criticism. Really guys, my suggestion is the best approach I think and if mom doesn't go along, well try and convince her cus' you gotta' do that cooperating thing in a marriage. :)

 

[Monique]

I disagree. I think there is truth: fat women suffer emotionally in American culture because of how they are treated due to their weight.

Also, even though most of you disapprove of my idea, I've not changed my opinion about the matter and in fact have come up with a method of attack: I would tell my young daughter a "story" about a little girl who gets fat and some of the problems she encounters because of that: the other girls make fun of her, she can't play volleyball because she moves too slow, they tease her when she's in her bathing suit, and none of the boys ask her to dance at the 5th grade dance except when the teachers force everyone to get a partner and dance.

And what are you teaching her by telling that story? What ideas are you actually instilling in her brain? That it is ok/normal for all overweight people to be bullied and outcast? I don't think that story is a wise lesson at all.

 

[jackmell]

And what are you teaching her by telling that story? What ideas are you actually instilling in her brain? That it is ok/normal for all overweight people to be bullied and outcast? I don't think that story is a wise lesson at all.

But they are bullied and treated harshly in American culture Monique and how would I be instilling that it's ok to do this to fat people? I've give no indication of that? Sometimes I think you guys don't understand big-business: I would weave the story around a little girl that lived on a farm and had plenty of pets then she and I would go get a kitten and name her "me-nu" like I've always named our cats.

So I've planted the seed, then deflected it to something nicer. See guys . . . big-business. :)

 

[lisab]

But they are bullied and treated harshly in American culture Monique and how would I be instilling that it's ok to do this to fat people? I've give no indication of that? Sometimes I think you guys don't understand big-business: I would weave the story around a little girl that lived on a farm and had plenty of pets then she and I would go get a kitten and name her "me-nu" like I've always named our cats.

So I've planted the seed, then deflected it to something nicer. See guys . . . big-business. :)

Well telling a kid a story is one thing, the real important lesson comes from how the parents act.

If you want to encourage your kid to be fit, you have to be fit. Model that behavior for them.

If you want to teach your kid that discriminating against fat people is wrong, you have to have a lot of fat people in your life, so your kid sees you interacting with them and treating them like anyone else. Model that behavior, too.

Actions teach much much better than an occasional story.

 

[jackmell]

Look guys, she's gonna' hear the story and if mom disapproves and says something like, "Jack, don't you dare tell that story to her or I'll be very angry at you!" then I'd say, "look sweetie-pie, don't tell mom we had this little talk ok?" and she'd say, "why not dad?" I'd say, "well, cus' she'll get all mad and stuff at me cus' I mean Jesus, she thinks you'll get all worried about your weight and all, and stop eating, and get real skinny, and unhappy, and start to dislike fat girls but I mean that won't happen cus' mom doesn't understand big-business like you and me right?"

She shakes her head in typical little-girl-I-don't-quite-understand fashion.


Next morning Monique is mad as hell at me. Lil' tattle-tail . . .

 

[DaveC426913]

Look guys, she's gonna' hear the story and if mom disapproves and says something like, "Jack, don't you dare tell that story to her or I'll be very angry at you!" then I'd say, "look sweetie-pie, don't tell mom we had this little talk ok?" and she'd say, "why not dad?" I'd say, "well, cus' she'll get all mad and stuff at me cus' I mean Jesus, she thinks you'll get all worried about your weight and all, and stop eating, and get real skinny, and unhappy, and start to dislike fat girls but I mean that won't happen cus' mom doesn't understand big-business like you and me right?"

This is just getting worse all the time.

Nothing says good parenting like obliging a child to keep secrets between mom & dad.

 

[DaveC426913]

What does "big business" mean to you, and what on Earth does it have to do with the topic? :very confused:

 

[leroyjenkens]

How do I know what exactly training regimen he has ? Do you ?

Let's assume he only trains by riding a bike. If he were to pedal uphill, which requires leg strength, he couldn't do it any better than the average person? Since pedaling a bike only gives you microscopic amounts of leg strength, bike peddling that requires strength, like peddling uphill or accelerating quickly, he'd only be able to do microscopically better than the average person.
Now does that make any sense?

Give me a break. Go spend the next years under a squat bar and then tell me those stories to send kids to bed.

Squatting is one of the best way to build leg strength, but it's not the only way. Some people have bad knees and they can't do squats. Are they doomed to have weak legs forever? No, there's other exercises that can build leg strength. Riding a bike is one of them.
I can't see how using your leg muscles to pedal doesn't build leg strength. Do runners not build leg strength because it's an endurance exercise? What if they're sprinters? Of course they build leg strength, since it's not an endurance exercise. But why can't you sprint on a bike? Why do the gods preclude that activity?

 

[DaveC426913]

Now does that make any sense?

leroy, DanP is speaking in hyperbole. Without supplying facts, he's really just blowing smoke. If you feel the need to challenge his claims, have him quantify them, or at least factualize them (the phrase "...wont do anything for your leg strength. If you want strength..." has no teeth whatever as a claim).

Until then, this is little more than a 'is not / is too' argument.

 

[Proton Soup]

I mean when she's what 6,7, 8, or 9 or even earlier. Or do you just say nothing about it and just let whatever happen, happen or even worst, handle it improperly throughout her adolescent life?

It's quite a bit more than just talking about it once of course. Gotta' guide her along a healthy path without upsetting her, like for example having very little junk food in the house, and not making a big deal about it. Delicate operation for sure and things could go horribly wrong. Still though, I'd risk explaining to her just what's involved with . . . being fat.

Would you?

i hope you do realize that a girl this age will soon enter puberty. maybe 11 or 12 in the past, but typically earlier now because of so many fat kids. so, you're going to warn her about getting fat, then in a couple of years she's going to start gaining some fat naturally so that her body can make that metabolic jump.