So, How to Use Ampere's Law for Magnetic Fields and Current?

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The discussion centers on the logical relationship between current and magnetic fields using Ampere's Law. Two statements are debated: one asserts that a magnetic field cannot be both unidirectional and nonuniform if there is no current, while the other suggests a conditional relationship without equivalence. Participants clarify that the first statement implies a strict equality, while the second is a conditional statement. The use of Ampere's Law is suggested to analyze the situation, specifically by considering a rectangular path for calculating the magnetic field. The conclusion emphasizes the importance of understanding the logical implications of the statements in the context of magnetic fields and current.
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I'm trying to find out which logical statement is true.

If and only if there is a region of space where there is no current, there cannot be a magnetic field that is both unidirectional and nonuniform.

Or

if there is a region of space where there is no current, there cannot be a magnetic field that is both unidirectional and nonuniform.

Which statement is true?
 
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Maxwellkid said:
I'm trying to find out which logical statement is true.

If and only if there is a region of space where there is no current, there cannot be a magnetic field that is both unidirectional and nonuniform.

Or

if there is a region of space where there is no current, there cannot be a magnetic field that is both unidirectional and nonuniform.

Which statement is true?

What is the context for the question? Is it for schoolwork?

What are the relevant equations for figuring this out? There are a couple of equations that relate current and magnetic field...
 
Maxwellkid said:
I'm trying to find out which logical statement is true.

If and only if there is a region of space where there is no current, there cannot be a magnetic field that is both unidirectional and nonuniform.

Or

if there is a region of space where there is no current, there cannot be a magnetic field that is both unidirectional and nonuniform.

Which statement is true?

aren't these two statements exactly the same?
 
Red_CCF said:
aren't these two statements exactly the same?

no, first statement is an equal sign. if and only if x then 5 means x=5

second statement is an if and then statement. if x then 5 doesn't mean x=5 because if 5 then x cannot be concluded.

2 statements are NOT logical the same.
 
berkeman said:
What is the context for the question? Is it for schoolwork?

What are the relevant equations for figuring this out? There are a couple of equations that relate current and magnetic field...

Any answers?
 
berkeman said:
Any answers?

i'm using Ampere's law to investigate nonuniform unidirectional B fields.
 
Cool. So can you show us how to use Ampere's Law to start go answer your questions?
 
berkeman said:
Cool. So can you show us how to use Ampere's Law to start go answer your questions?

i would draw a rectangular dL with 2 sides of the rectangle parallel and antiparallel to nonuniform and unidirectional B field lines.

\oint \vec{B}\cdot \vec{dL} = \mu_{o} I_{enc}

where I_{enc} = 0
 
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