So if FM radio signals modulate the frequency of the EM wave

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The discussion revolves around the modulation of FM radio signals and how receivers can tune into specific frequencies despite the inherent frequency changes. Participants explore the technical aspects of FM broadcasting, including bandwidth and frequency ranges.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how FM radio can be tuned to a specific frequency like 101.1 MHz when the frequency changes during modulation.
  • Another participant explains that an FM receiver tuned to 101.1 MHz actually receives a band of frequencies centered around that value, initially stating a bandwidth of 20.5 MHz, which is later corrected.
  • A correction is made regarding the broadcast bandwidth, clarifying it is +/- 90 kHz, with an assigned bandwidth of 200 kHz per channel.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the bandwidth requirements for audio signals, noting that only 20 kHz to 30 kHz is necessary for narrowband FM, while the 200 kHz bandwidth accommodates signal deviation and guard bands.
  • Another participant specifies the frequency ranges for FM bands, indicating that 101.1 MHz is the center frequency of a band spanning from 100.025 to 101.175 MHz.
  • Additional comments highlight that even the 20-30 kHz bandwidth is considered wide, with many commercial and amateur radio modes using narrower bandwidths of 5, 12, or 15 kHz.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the bandwidth of FM signals and the necessary bandwidth for audio transmission. There is no consensus on the initial bandwidth claim, and corrections are made throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific definitions of bandwidth and modulation techniques, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion includes corrections and refinements of earlier claims without resolving the underlying disagreements.

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then how can you tune into, say, 101.1 when its not at 101.1 MHz all the time given the frequency change?
 
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An FM radio receiver tuned to 101.1 Mhz is actually receiving a band of frequencies centered on 101.1 Mhz. I think the bandwidth for the FM broadcast band in the US is [strike]20.5[/strike] Mhz. So a receiver tuned to 101.1 Mhz would actually be receiving frequencies in the range of [strike]90.85[/strike] to [strike]111.35[/strike] Mhz.

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The broadcast bandwidth is +/- 90 Khz, not 20.5 Mhz. And the assigned bandwidth is 200 Khz per channel.
 
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TurtleMeister said:
An FM radio receiver tuned to 101.1 Mhz is actually receiving a band of frequencies centered on 101.1 Mhz. I think the bandwidth for the FM broadcast band in the US is 20.5 Mhz. So a receiver tuned to 101.1 Mhz would actually be receiving frequencies in the range of 90.85 to 111.35 Mhz.

Why just take a guess (mistaken) when responding to questions like this? The Wikipedia page explains FM radio in the US fairly well. Here is an excerpt:

“...in the US, FM channels are 200 kHz (0.2 MHz) apart.

Bandwidth of 200 kHz is not needed to accommodate an audio signal — 20 kHz to 30 kHz is all that is necessary for a narrowband FM signal. The 200 kHz bandwidth allowed room for ±75 kHz signal deviation from the assigned frequency, plus guard bands to reduce or eliminate adjacent channel interference. The larger bandwidth allows for broadcasting a 15 kHz bandwidth audio signal plus a 38 kHz stereo "subcarrier"—a piggyback signal that rides on the main signal. Additional unused capacity is used by some broadcasters to transmit utility functions such as background music for public areas, GPS auxiliary signals, or financial market data.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_broadcasting
 
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Thanks for the correction. Yes, I answered that way to quick. 20.5 Mhz is actually the width of the entire FM broadcast band.
 
101.1 MHz is the center frequency of a band that spans a range from 100.025 to 101.175 MHz. The next band is 101.225 to 101.375, with center frequency 101.3 MHz, etc.
 
Bobbywhy said:
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Bandwidth of 200 kHz is not needed to accommodate an audio signal — 20 kHz to 30 kHz is all that is necessary for a narrowband FM signal. The 200 kHz bandwidth allowed room for ±75 kHz signal deviation from the assigned frequency, plus guard bands to reduce or eliminate adjacent channel interference. The larger bandwidth allows for broadcasting a 15 kHz bandwidth audio signal plus a 38 kHz stereo "subcarrier"—a piggyback signal that rides on the main signal. Additional unused capacity is used by some broadcasters to transmit utility functions such as background music for public areas, GPS auxiliary signals, or financial market data.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_broadcasting

even 20 - 30 kHz is quite wide, most commercial and amateur radio NBFM modes use 5, 12 or 15kHz these days

Dave
 

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