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The discussion revolves around the mathematical representation of electromagnetic (EM) waves, particularly focusing on the wave equation for the electric field and the implications of polarization. Participants explore the formulation of the electric field in both complex and real forms, as well as the dependence of angular frequency on polarization.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that the general solution of the wave equation for the electric field can be expressed in complex form, incorporating polarization through a complex amplitude.
  • Questions arise regarding how to rewrite the solution when considering polarization and whether the angular frequency \(\omega\) depends on polarization.
  • One participant references a textbook that introduces a summation over modes and polarization states, questioning the significance of the index \(p\) and the allowed values for it.
  • Another participant explains that the EM wave is a transverse wave, with the electric field vector lying in a plane perpendicular to the wave vector, and describes how to represent polarization using two orthonormal basis vectors.
  • There is a clarification that the polarization state can be represented by a Jones vector, which includes components corresponding to the two polarization states.
  • A later reply suggests that the angular frequency appears to depend only on the wave vector \(k\) and questions the absence of a \(p\) index in \(\omega\). Additionally, there is curiosity about the existence of polarization in non-plane waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the dependence of angular frequency on polarization, with some suggesting it does not depend on the polarization state while others imply it may. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact relationship between frequency and polarization.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions of polarization states and the implications of non-plane wave scenarios on polarization. The discussion also reflects a dependence on the mathematical formalism used in different contexts.

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I know that in free space, the general solution of the wave equation about electric field is of sine and cosine form. One can also write it in complex form as

[tex]E = E_0 \exp(i\vec{k}\cdot\vec{r} - i\omega t)[/tex]

I have two queations about this solution

1) If consider the polarization, how should I rewrite the solution?

2) In the presence of polarization, will the angular frequency [tex]\omega[/tex] depend on polarization?
 
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KFC said:
I know that in free space, the general solution of the wave equation about electric field is of sine and cosine form. One can also write it in complex form as

[tex]E = E_0 \exp(i\vec{k}\cdot\vec{r} - i\omega t)[/tex]

I have two queations about this solution

1) If consider the polarization, how should I rewrite the solution?

2) In the presence of polarization, will the angular frequency [tex]\omega[/tex] depend on polarization?


I just find the solution involves polarization in another textbook, it reads

[tex]\vec{E} = \tilde{E} \exp(i\vec{k}\cdot\vec{r} - i\omega t)[/tex]

where [tex]\tilde{E}[/tex] is complex amplitude represent the amplitude and the polarization. The book read: for finding the general multi-mode solution, we have to add up all possible solutions of above form

[tex]\sum_{k}\sum_p\tilde{E}_{k,p} \exp(i\vec{k}\cdot\vec{r} - i\omega_{k, p} t)[/tex]

Now the complex amplitude depends on wavenumber k and p (polarization I guess). Well, I don't understand why a 'p' there? If we need to sum over p, so what values of p is allowed? In the book, it said p can be 1 or 2, but why is that? The last question is about the frequency, why it also depends on p?
 
That is because the EM wave is a transverse wave. The direction of the wave propagation is "k". So the E vector is in the plane perpendicular to the "k" vector. So E can be given in a basis of two vectors in the plane, representing polarization.
Explicitly:
Let [tex]\textbf{n}[/tex] be a unit vector parallel to the direction of wave propagation, that is parallel to [tex]\textbf{k}[/tex]. This means that we can write [tex]\textbf{k}=k\textbf{n}[/tex] where k is the absolute value of the k vector.

Now let's take a unit vector in the plane perpendicular to the k vector, that is let:

[tex]\textbf{k}\cdot \textbf{e}^1(\textbf{n})=0[/tex]

We want an orthonormal basis in this plane. But we know that we can generate a unit vector orthogonal to e^1 via the cross product, so let:

[tex]\textbf{e}^2(\textbf{n})=\textbf{n}\times\textbf{e}^1(\textbf{n})[/tex]

Now since the E vector is in this plane, it can be given as a linear combination of the above two unit vectors. So we have for E:

[tex]\textbf{E}(\textbf{r},t)=A_1(\textbf{k})\textbf{e}^1(\textbf{n})e^{i(\textbf{k}\textbf{r}-\omega(\textbf{k})t)}+A_2(\textbf{k})\textbf{e}^2(\textbf{n})e^{i(\textbf{k}\textbf{r}-\omega(\textbf{k})t)}[/tex]

Using summation notation:

[tex]\textbf{E}(\textbf{r},t)=\sum_{p=1}^2A_p(\textbf{k})\textbf{e}^p(\textbf{n})e^{i(\textbf{k}\textbf{r}-\omega(\textbf{k})t)}[/tex]

So the polarization state can be represented by the vector (A_1,A_2). This is called the Jones vector. hence the p index.
 
Thaakisfox said:
That is because the EM wave is a transverse wave. The direction of the wave propagation is "k". So the E vector is in the plane perpendicular to the "k" vector. So E can be given in a basis of two vectors in the plane, representing polarization.
Explicitly:
Let [tex]\textbf{n}[/tex] be a unit vector parallel to the direction of wave propagation, that is parallel to [tex]\textbf{k}[/tex]. This means that we can write [tex]\textbf{k}=k\textbf{n}[/tex] where k is the absolute value of the k vector.

Now let's take a unit vector in the plane perpendicular to the k vector, that is let:

[tex]\textbf{k}\cdot \textbf{e}^1(\textbf{n})=0[/tex]

We want an orthonormal basis in this plane. But we know that we can generate a unit vector orthogonal to e^1 via the cross product, so let:

[tex]\textbf{e}^2(\textbf{n})=\textbf{n}\times\textbf{e}^1(\textbf{n})[/tex]

Now since the E vector is in this plane, it can be given as a linear combination of the above two unit vectors. So we have for E:

[tex]\textbf{E}(\textbf{r},t)=A_1(\textbf{k})\textbf{e}^1(\textbf{n})e^{i(\textbf{k}\textbf{r}-\omega(\textbf{k})t)}+A_2(\textbf{k})\textbf{e}^2(\textbf{n})e^{i(\textbf{k}\textbf{r}-\omega(\textbf{k})t)}[/tex]

Using summation notation:

[tex]\textbf{E}(\textbf{r},t)=\sum_{p=1}^2A_p(\textbf{k})\textbf{e}^p(\textbf{n})e^{i(\textbf{k}\textbf{r}-\omega(\textbf{k})t)}[/tex]

So the polarization state can be represented by the vector (A_1,A_2). This is called the Jones vector. hence the p index.

Thanks a lot. Very clear :)

But in your explanation, it seems that the angular frequency only depends on k but not polarization (so no p index in [tex]\omega[/tex])?

By the way, if it is not plane wave, do we still have something like polarization?
 

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