Solve bernoulli differential equation with extra constant

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The discussion revolves around solving a Bernoulli differential equation of the form u'(t)=c*u(t)^2-c*(a+b)*u(t)+c*a*b. Participants are exploring various approaches to find a solution, particularly focusing on the homogeneous part of the equation and the implications of linearity.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the homogeneous equation and the challenges of finding a suitable form for the solution. There is an exploration of separating variables and the use of linear operators, with some questioning the validity of combining solutions from different parts of the equation.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing differing perspectives on the methods to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the separation of variables, while others express uncertainty about the application of linearity in the context of the equation.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the definition of the homogeneous equation and the implications of linearity in the differential equation. Participants are grappling with the non-linear aspects of the problem and the correct application of mathematical principles.

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Homework Statement


Find a solution for:
u'(t)=c*u(t)^2-c*(a+b)*u(t)+c*a*b

The Attempt at a Solution


I've found the solution for the homogeneous equation:
u_0(t)=(\frac{1}{a+b}+d*e^{c(a+b)t)})^{-1}
Where c is a random constant.

Now I've tried the solution u(t)=x(t)*u_0(t), when I fill this in it gets a mess and i can't figure out what x(t) should be.
Can someone help me?
 
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Berrius said:

Homework Statement


Find a solution for:
u'(t)=c*u(t)^2-c*(a+b)*u(t)+c*a*b

The Attempt at a Solution


I've found the solution for the homogeneous equation:
u_0(t)=(\frac{1}{a+b}+d*e^{c(a+b)t)})^{-1}
Where c is a random constant.

Now I've tried the solution u(t)=x(t)*u_0(t), when I fill this in it gets a mess and i can't figure out what x(t) should be.
Can someone help me?

This isn't a linear equation, so I'm not sure what you consider the "homogeneous" equation. If you write it as$$
u'+ c(a+b)u =cu^2+cab$$at least the left side of the equation is linear. That means if you can find a solution ##u_1## of ##u'+ c(a+b)u =cu^2## and a solution ##u_2## of ##u'+ c(a+b)u =cab## then ##u_1+u_2## should be a solution of your original DE.
 
With homogeneous I just ment the differential equation without the constant part.

But your approach won't work because u'(t)=u_1'(t)+u_2'(t)=-c(a+b)u_1(t)+cu_1^2(t)-c(a+b)u_2(t)+cab=-c(a+b)u(t)+cu_1^2(t)+cab

Or am I seeing it wrong?
 
I would forget Bernoulli's equation and just try separation of variables. The right side factors. Just use partial fractions to integrate it.
 
Berrius said:
With homogeneous I just ment the differential equation without the constant part.

But your approach won't work because u'(t)=u_1'(t)+u_2'(t)=-c(a+b)u_1(t)+cu_1^2(t)-c(a+b)u_2(t)+cab=-c(a+b)u(t)+cu_1^2(t)+cab

Or am I seeing it wrong?

Right. You can't combine them that way. Just separate.
 
Berrius said:
With homogeneous I just ment the differential equation without the constant part.

But your approach won't work because u'(t)=u_1'(t)+u_2'(t)=-c(a+b)u_1(t)+cu_1^2(t)-c(a+b)u_2(t)+cab=-c(a+b)u(t)+cu_1^2(t)+cab

Or am I seeing it wrong?

You are seeing it wrong. If you let$$
L(u) = u' + c(a+b)u$$be the left side linear part then ##L## is a linear operator, which means ##L(u_1+u_2) = L(u_1)+L(u_2)##. So if ##L(u_1) = cu_1^2## and ##L(u_2)=abc##, what do you get for ##L(u_1+u_2)## ?
 
LCKurtz said:
You are seeing it wrong. If you let$$
L(u) = u' + c(a+b)u$$be the left side linear part then ##L## is a linear operator, which means ##L(u_1+u_2) = L(u_1)+L(u_2)##. So if ##L(u_1) = cu_1^2## and ##L(u_2)=abc##, what do you get for ##L(u_1+u_2)## ?

But you want to get ##L(u_1+u_2) = c(u_1+u_2)^2+abc##. You don't get that.
 
Dick said:
But you want to get ##L(u_1+u_2) = c(u_1+u_2)^2+abc##. You don't get that.

No wonder I was feeling a little uncertainty about my argument. :blushing: And it seemed so neat at the time...
 

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