Solve Coupled Oscillator Problem from Goldstein's Classical Mechanics

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The discussion focuses on solving the coupled oscillator problem presented in Goldstein's "Classical Mechanics." The user outlines their approach, including the definitions of kinetic energy (T) and potential energy (V) using displacements of five particles, and the application of normal coordinates. They derive a matrix representation for V and T, leading to the calculation of eigenvalues to determine the system's frequencies. The user expresses uncertainty regarding the matrix formulation and the omission of the factor of 1/2 in both V and T, which is clarified as a common simplification in physics problems.

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Hey,

I've been trying to solve this question from Goldstein's Classical Mechanics.

The picture I have of the question is from a later edition and the hint was removed from the question, the hint was let
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η1=[itex]\frac{ζ_{1}+ζ_{5}}{\sqrt{2}}[/itex]

η5=[itex]\frac{ζ_{1}-ζ_{5}}{\sqrt{2}}[/itex]

What I have done is first let each particle be represented by a displacement x1...x5,

Then wrote out T = 1/2m([itex]x^{2}_{1}+x^{2}_{3}+x^{2}_{5}[/itex]) + 1/2M([itex]x^{2}_{2}+x^{2}_{4}[/itex])

and V = k/2 *( [itex]x_{i}-x_{j}-b[/itex] ) i = 2..5, j = 1..4 i≠j

so V = k/2 *( [itex]x_{2}-x_{1}-b[/itex] ) + k/2(...) up to i = 5 j = 4

then Since η = x - dx the system is at equilibrium when

b = dx2 - dx1 = dx3 - dx2 = ... up to i = 5 j = 4then V = 1/2k (η2 - η1) + ... up to i = 5 j = 4

Then I subbed in the hints it provided and also as one of the hints says treat the normal co-ords of 2 and 4 as symetric I let η22=-η4

Some stuff canceled and I ended up with

V = k/2 *( [itex]ζ^{2}_{1}+ζ^{2}_{2}+ζ^{2}_{5}-2\sqrt{2}ζ_{2}ζ_{5}[/itex] )

I turned it into a matrix which was (this is where I start stuffing up I think)

...1...0...0 (sorry had to use the ... to make the matrix look kind of like a matrix)
V = k/2...0...4...sqrt2
...0..-sqrt2..1

Then since there were only varibles of 1, 2 and 5 I turned T into

.....m 0 0
T = 1/2...0 M 0
.....0 0 m

Then did the usual thing for eigenvalues |V-ω2T|=0

One was pretty ugly, one was sqrt(k/m), and the last one I had trouble finding because it was a mess of a cubic.

I decided to put the question at the bottom so the add didn't squish it,

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7747/asdasddh.jpg

Is what I did alright? The part I'm not confident about at all is when i turn V into a matrix, and the book they also drop the 1/2 for both V and T which I didn't really understand why.

Thanks in advanced for any help.
 
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So one problem was that symetric meant n2=n4, so i did it again,
its a 5 variable quadratic form so its a 5x5 not a 3x3,
I got a block diagnal matrix with a 3x3 as the first and a 2x2 as the second, the 2x2 had determinant kmw^2, so that shows one of the frequencies is 0,

but yea I am still not sure if that's right,

Anyone have any ideas?
 

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