Solve Diferential Equation: d2u/(dθ)^2+u=0 → u=cos(θ-θ0)

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the function \( u = \cos(\theta - \theta_0) \) is a solution to the differential equation \( \frac{d^2u}{d\theta^2} + u = 0 \). Participants explore methods of verification and the general solution to the equation, including the implications of complex constants.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest differentiating the proposed solution twice and substituting it back into the differential equation to verify if it results in zero.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to derive the solution \( u = \cos(\theta - \theta_0) \) from the general solution, which includes complex terms.
  • Another participant provides a general solution of the form \( u = Ae^{ix} + Be^{-ix} \) and explains how it can be rewritten using Euler's formulas into a sine and cosine form.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of constants in the solution, with some participants noting that constants can be imaginary or complex, but real coefficients lead to real constants in the sine and cosine representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the validity of the solution \( u = \cos(\theta - \theta_0) \) but express differing views on how to arrive at that solution and the implications of using complex constants versus real constants.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention complications arising from imaginary terms when solving the equation, indicating potential limitations in their approaches or assumptions about the constants involved.

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How can I demostrate that a solution of d2u/(dθ)^2+u=0 is u=cos(θ-θ0)

Thanks
 
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alpha25 said:
How can I demostrate that a solution of d2u/(dθ)^2+u=0 is u=cos(θ-θ0)

Thanks

Differentiate it twice, add it to the result, and see if you get zero.
 
Yes, thanks, but how can I get that result
 
Show us what happens when you try it.
 
I already differentiate it twice and then I replace it to the equation and I get to zero, I know that cos(θ-θ0) is a solution, but I don t know how to get that solution.
When I solve the equation I reach other result more complicated with imaginary terms etc...
 
To save typing I will use ##x## instead of ##\theta## for the independent variable. When you solved ##u''+u=0## you probably got solutions like ##e^{ix}## and ##e^{-ix}##, so the general solution is ##u = Ae^{ix}+Be^{-ix}##. Using the Euler formulas you can write this equivalently as ##u = C\cos x + D\sin x##. A solution of the form ##\cos(x-x_0)## can be written using the addition formula as ##\cos x \cos x_0 - \sin x \sin x_0##. You can get that from the previous form by letting ##C=\cos x_0,~D= -\sin x_0##.

You can read about constant coefficient DE's many places on the internet. One such place is:
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/math/differential-equations/second-order-equations/constant-coefficients
 
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D is imaginary?
 
The constants can be imaginary or complex. But there is a theorem that if the coefficients of the DE are real and the boundary conditions are real, the constants C and D will be real in the {sine,cosine} expression. If you leave the solution in the complex exponential form, the constants A and B will come out complex. So for real coefficients and real boundary conditions, you really just make it complicated if you leave it in the complex exponential form. Use the {sine,cosine} form.
 
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