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The discussion focuses on solving a trigonometric equation involving two variables, specifically analyzing the function 2 sin(3x) and its zeros based on different values of k. The participants clarify that for k values of -2, between -2 and 0, between 0 and 2, and equal to 2, the number of zeros varies, with the correct counts being 2, 4, 2, and 1 respectively. It is emphasized that when k exceeds 2 or is less than -2, there are no solutions due to the function's amplitude constraints. The importance of graphing the function to verify solutions is also noted, along with the possibility of solving the problem algebraically. The conversation concludes with acknowledgment of the insights shared.
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I can solve the first part of the question. -2 ≤ k ≤ 2 because -1 ≤ sin(x) ≤ 1. How do I solve the second part of the question? Thanks.
 
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Forget k for a moment, and think about what values 2 sin(3x) can assume. For each such value v, you have 2 sin(3x) = v, or 2 sin(3x) + (-v) = 0. So your k values are the same as the values of -v.
 
Michael Redei said:
Forget k for a moment, and think about what values 2 sin(3x) can assume. For each such value v, you have 2 sin(3x) = v, or 2 sin(3x) + (-v) = 0. So your k values are the same as the values of -v.

It may help to think about the graph of this function. It may even help to graph it. The 2 will increase the amplitude of the function and the 3 will scale the function. More specifically, it will "shrink" the function in the x direction (but it will not affect affect the amplitude). So from 0 to pi, the function will go completely up and down once and then be halfway done with a cycle. If you draw a horizontal line through this equation, how many solutions are there? (Hint: it depends on where the line is).
 
http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP4251a45574034148cah00001164cg2h50a94c78?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=5&w=300&h=183&cdf=RangeControl

So if k:
is = -2, there will be 2 zeros
is between (-2,0] there will be 4 zeros
is between (0,2), there will be 2 zeros
is = 2, there will be 1 zero

Is that correct? Thanks.
 
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sunnybrooke said:
http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP4251a45574034148cah00001164cg2h50a94c78?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=5&w=300&h=183&cdf=RangeControl

So if k:
is = -2, there will be 2 zeros
is between (-2,0] there will be 4 zeros
is between (0,2), there will be 2 zeros
is = 2, there will be 1 zero

Is that correct? Thanks.

That looks correct to me, but you should check your result by looking at a graph of the function, perhaps with k=0 if you haven't already done so.

One other small matter, which you probably take for granted, but you should still mention if this is a homework or exam problem: what happens when k > 2 or k < -2?
 
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sunnybrooke said:
http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP4251a45574034148cah00001164cg2h50a94c78?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=5&w=300&h=183&cdf=RangeControl

So if k:
is = -2, there will be 2 zeros
is between (-2,0] there will be 4 zeros
is between (0,2), there will be 2 zeros
is = 2, there will be 1 zero

Is that correct? Thanks.

Very close. However, the only time that there are 4 solutions is when k=0. For k (-2,0), there are 3 solutions
 
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piercebeatz said:
Very close. However, the only time that there are 4 solutions is when k=0. For k (-2,0), there are 3 solutions

There are never only 3 solutions. For -2 < k < 0 just consider k = -1 and test x = π/18, 5π/18, 13π/18, 17π/18.
 
Oops! Then what he said was correct
 
Michael Redei said:
That looks correct to me, but you should check your result by looking at a graph of the function, perhaps with k=0 if you haven't already done so.

One other small matter, which you probably take for granted, but you should still mention if this is a homework or exam problem: what happens when k > 2 or k < -2?

You're right, I forgot to mention that. When k > 2 or k < 2, there are no solutions (because the amplitude is 2).

Additionally, could I approach this problem algebraically (without referring to a graph)?

Thanks.
 
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Never mind. Thank you Michael & piercebeatz.
 
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