Solve Hyperbolic Functions: Show x=ln(tany±secy)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves showing that if sinh(x) = tan(y), then x can be expressed as ln(tan(y) ± sec(y)). The subject area pertains to hyperbolic functions and their relationship to trigonometric identities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the manipulation of the equation sinh(x) = tan(y) and explore the implications of treating it as a quadratic equation in e^x. There are questions regarding the correct form of the quadratic equation and the simplification of terms involving tan(y) and sec(y).

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for factoring and deriving identities, while others express confusion about the steps involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between hyperbolic and trigonometric functions without a clear consensus on the next steps.

Contextual Notes

Participants are encouraged to derive trigonometric identities and clarify their understanding of the relationships between the functions involved. There is an emphasis on using known identities and simplifying expressions appropriately.

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Homework Statement


If sinhx=tany show x=ln(tany±secy)

Homework Equations


sinhx=0.5(e^x-e^(-x))
secy=1/cosy
cosy=0.5(e^y+e^(-y))
tany=(e^(jx)-e^(-jx))/(e^(jx)+e^(-jx))
tany=siny/cosy

The Attempt at a Solution


0.5e^x -0.5e^-x=tany
0.5e^(2x) -0.5=tany e^x
e^(2x) -2tany e^x -1 = 0
e^(2x) = (2tany±square[(-2tany)^2 + 4] / 2

Is this good so far, and what to do with 4tan^2y?
 
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Pietair said:
e^(2x) -2tany e^x -1 = 0

This equation is quadratic in the variable e^x, not e^(2x), so this:

e^(2x) = (2tany±square[(-2tany)^2 + 4] / 2

Is this good so far, and what to do with 4tan^2y?

should be e^(x) = (2tany±square[(-2tany)^2 + 4] / 2.

Now, factor out a 4 from inside the square root...[itex]1+\tan^2 y=[/itex]___?
 
Hi Pietair! :smile:
Pietair said:
If sinhx=tany show x=ln(tany±secy)

The Attempt at a Solution


0.5e^x -0.5e^-x=tany…

oooh, so complicated! :cry:

Hint: if sinhx=tany, coshx = … ? :smile:
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Now, factor out a 4 from inside the square root...[itex]1+\tan^2 y=[/itex]___?
I have no idea...

Should be something like 0.5cos^2y or something I think.
 
Pietair said:
I have no idea...

Should be something like 0.5cos^2y or something I think.

Look it up in your table of trig identities. Or better yet, derive it yourself by writing tan^2y in terms of sines and cosines and placing everything over the common denominator...
 
Thanks a lot, I succeeded by replacing:
[itex] 1+\tan^2 y[/itex]

for: [itex] sec^2 y[/itex]
 

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