Solve ##\left| x+3 \right|= \left| 2x+1\right|##

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation ##\left| x+3 \right|= \left| 2x+1\right|##, which involves absolute values. Participants are exploring the implications of absolute values in equations and the conditions under which they can be removed or manipulated.

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  • Some participants attempt to clarify the reasoning behind removing absolute values, questioning how both sides can be positive while also considering negative cases. Others suggest that there are multiple scenarios to consider when dealing with absolute values, leading to different potential solutions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the validity of excluding certain cases and discussing the implications of absolute values. There is a recognition of the need to account for both positive and negative scenarios, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to take.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the conditions under which absolute values can be treated as positive or negative, particularly in relation to specific intervals of x. There is also mention of the potential for squaring both sides as an alternative method, though this has not been fully explored.

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Homework Statement
Solve ##\left| x+3 \right|= \left| 2x+1\right|##
Relevant Equations
Absolute values
Both sides are in absolute values, i.e. positive, so the solution is straightforward: ##\left| x+3 \right|= \left| 2x+1\right| \Rightarrow x+3=2x+1 \Rightarrow x=2##.

But the solution presents another case: ##x+3 = -(2x+1)##. How is this possible if both sides are in absolute values, i.e. positive?

I understand ##\left| x\right|= \pm c##, but when there are absolute values on both sides, I don't understand why you can remove the absolute values by setting one side to negative. Thanks for the help.
 
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If ##|x| = |y|## then there are four possible solutions:
$$x = y$$or$$x = -y$$or$$-x = y$$or$$-x = -y$$This, however, simplifies to two solutions.
$$x = y$$or$$x = -y$$
 
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RChristenk said:
Homework Statement: Solve ##\left| x+3 \right|= \left| 2x+1\right|##
Relevant Equations: Absolute values

Both sides are in absolute values, i.e. positive, so the solution is straightforward: ##\left| x+3 \right|= \left| 2x+1\right| \Rightarrow x+3=2x+1 \Rightarrow x=2##.

But the solution presents another case: ##x+3 = -(2x+1)##. How is this possible if both sides are in absolute values, i.e. positive?

If you were asked to solve |x| = |3|, would you exclude x = -3 as a solution?

Here, is there any reason to exlude the case -3 < x < -\frac12, where x + 3 > 0 but 2x + 1 < 0?
 
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When you remove the absolute values, you do not know if the inside is positive or negative and you have to account for either possibility.
 
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RChristenk said:
I understand ##\left| x\right|= \pm c##, but when there are absolute values on both sides, I don't understand why you can remove the absolute values by setting one side to negative. Thanks for the help.
## |x| = c \Rightarrow x = \pm c ## where ## c \ge 0 ##. By using this, there will be ## |x+3| = |2x+1| \Rightarrow x+3 = \pm |2x+1| ## and finally ## x+3 = \pm (2x+1) ## because ## \pm |2x+1| ## can be rewritten as ## \pm (2x+1) ##.
 
What about squaring both sides and solving the resulting quadratic equation?
 
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Gavran said:
## |x| = c \Rightarrow x = \pm c ## where ## c \ge 0 ##. By using this, there will be ## |x+3| = |2x+1| \Rightarrow x+3 = \pm |2x+1| ## and finally ## x+3 = \pm (2x+1) ## because ## \pm |2x+1| ## can be rewritten as ## \pm (2x+1) ##.
You can skip a step in the above. ## |x+3| = |2x+1| \Rightarrow x+3 = \pm (2x+1) ##
 
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Mark44 said:
You can skip a step in the above. ## |x+3| = |2x+1| \Rightarrow x+3 = \pm (2x+1) ##
Repitition of post ##2##. Cheers @Mark44
 

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