Solve Limits of Sequences: e2 when n=∞

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of the sequence (1 + n^2)^(1/(ln n)) as n approaches infinity. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the limit, initially concluding it to be 1, while the textbook states it is e^2.

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  • Participants explore the nature of limits involving indeterminate forms such as 1^∞ and ∞^0. There are discussions about the implications of taking logarithms and the use of L'Hôpital's Rule to analyze the limit further. Some participants question the arithmetic involving infinity and the definitions of limits.

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The discussion is active, with various participants providing insights into the nature of the limit and suggesting methods to approach it, including taking logarithms and applying L'Hôpital's Rule. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive directions have been proposed.

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Participants note that the limit involves terms that diverge and converge in specific ways, leading to the need for careful analysis. The original poster's confusion about the arithmetic involving infinity is acknowledged, and the distinction between finite and infinite values is emphasized.

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Homework Statement
In the following problems, find the limit of the given sequence as n→∞.
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(1 + n^2)^(1/ (ln n))
If n is ∞, then ln (n) = ln (∞) = ∞

Then, 1/∞ = 0

Any number raised to "0" = 1, so the answer should be 1. However the book says the answer is e2. Could you provide me some help?
 
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If we remember the definition of Euler's number, we have:
$$e \equiv \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\left(1 +\frac{1}{n}\right)^n$$

So, as we can see, this is a sequence, which has members that are all bigger than one, yet they are tending towards ##1^\infty## type of limit. This limit is generally undefined, in a sense that you have to inspect it more clearly. For example, if we have a sequence which has a limit ##1^\infty##, then logarithm of that sequence would have limit ##0 \times \infty##. Your limit is ##\infty^0## which would also turn into a ##0 \times \infty## type of limit if you take logarithm of the sequence. Now you might say, this should be zero, right? But the deal with the limits is that it's not exactly zero, it is something that is tending towards zero, multiplied by something that is increasing without bound. So the question of what the product should be, depends on how fast this one term is converging to zero, and how fast the other term is diverging. Imagine you have something that diverges exponentially, multiplied by something that linearly converges to zero, for example a sequence defined by ##a_n = 2^n \times \frac{1}{n}##. If you try writing it term by term, you will see that it diverges. But then look at ##a_n = n \times e^{-n}##. This one tends to zero. And both of those are of form ##0 \times \infty##.

So the point of the story is that ##1^\infty## is not equal to ##1##(same goes for ##\infty^0##), it must be investigated further. In fact, as we can see, we defined Euler's number ##e## to be a limit of sequence of that form. Which gives you the hint about your exercise. For example, you probably find a limit ##0 \times \infty## easier to deal with than this limit, so maybe there is a way to take the logarithm of this? Hope that helps.
 
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Fernando Rios said:
Homework Statement: In the following problems, find the limit of the given sequence as n→∞.
Homework Equations: (1 + n^2)^(1/ (ln n))

If n is ∞, then ln (n) = ln (∞) = ∞
No, ##\infty## is not amongst the real numbers, so you can't do arithmetic with it, or use it in algebraic expressions.
Fernando Rios said:
Then, 1/∞ = 0
Also no, for the reason given above.
Fernando Rios said:
Any number raised to "0" = 1
Any finite number raised to the power 0 is 1, but ##1 + n^2## is not finite in the limit you're working with.
Fernando Rios said:
, so the answer should be 1. However the book says the answer is e2. Could you provide me some help?
Your textbook should have several examples of working with a limit of this type. These limits usually involve taking the log to get an expression in the form that you can use L'Hoptal's Rule on.
Antarres said:
This limit is generally undefined
Right, but a limit of the sort ##[1^\infty]## is called an indeterminate form, as are ##[\infty - \infty]##, ##[\frac \infty \infty]##, and several others.
 
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Mark44 said:
Right, but a limit of the sort ##[1^\infty]## is called an indeterminate form, as are ##[\infty - \infty]##, ##[\frac \infty \infty]##, and several others.
Yeah that's what I meant, just didn't use the proper English term for it.
 
As others have pointed out your limit is of the form ##{+\infty}^{0}## which is indeterminate. To work with this limit take the logarithm of it and then use L'Hospital rule.

You ll find that the limit of the logarithm is equal to $$\lim_{n \to \infty}\frac{2n^2}{1+n^2}$$ which is equal to 2. Then because the logarithmic function is continuous you can use the property that ##\lim\ln f(n)=\ln \lim f(n)## where ##f(n)## your original function. Thus you can conclude that the limit of the original function is ##e^2##.
 
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I think the identity ##a^b = e^{bln a} ## should help in here.
 
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Thank you all for your responses.
 
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