Solve OpAmp Circuit Using Differential Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving an operational amplifier (OpAmp) circuit using differential equations. Participants are analyzing the formulation of nodal equations and the correctness of derived expressions related to the circuit's behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a series of nodal equations derived from the OpAmp circuit, leading to a proposed differential equation for the output voltage, Vo.
  • Another participant expresses preference for the first participant's solution over a provided "correct" solution, citing unit inconsistencies in the latter's formulation.
  • A later reply reiterates the unit concerns, suggesting that the right-hand side of the "correct" solution implies a current, while the left-hand side is expressed in terms of voltage per time squared.
  • Participants discuss the process of finding characteristic roots from the differential equation, with one participant confirming the approach and suggesting to combine terms for clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correctness of the "correct" solution provided, as multiple participants express doubts and prefer the initial participant's formulation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which solution is accurate.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with unit consistency in the proposed solutions, indicating a need for careful examination of the mathematical expressions involved.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Nodal Equations
By property of OpAmp, V2=Vo

eq1:\frac{V_{1}-V_{in}}{R_1}+\frac{V_{1}-V_{o}}{R_2}+C_2*(\dot{V_1}-\dot{Vo})
eq2: V_1=C_1R_2\dot{V_o}+V_o

eq3:\dot{V_1}=C_1R_2\ddot{V_o}+\dot{V_o}

Sub 2 & 3 into 1
\frac{C_1R_2\dot{V_o}+V_o-V_{in}}{R_1}+\frac{C_1R_2\dot{V_o}+V_o-V_o}{R_2}+C_2(C_1R_2\ddot{V_o}+\dot{V_o}-\dot{V_o})

Simplify
\frac{C_1R_2\dot{V_o}+V_o-V_{in}}{R_1}+ C_1\dot{V_o}+C_2(C_1R_2\ddot{V_o})

\frac{C_1R_2\dot{V_o}}{R_1}+\frac{V_o}{R_1}-\frac{V_{in}}{R_1}+C_1\dot{V_o}+C_1C_2R_2\ddot{V_o}

\frac{C_1R_2\dot{V_o}}{R_1}+\frac{V_o}{R_1}+C_1\dot{V_o}+C_1C_2R_2\ddot{V_o}=\frac{V_{in}}{R_1}

Divide everything by C1C2R2 to single out Vo''
\frac{C_1R_2\dot{V_o}}{C_1C_2R_1R_2}+\frac{V_o}{C_1C_2R_1R_2}+\frac{C_1\dot{V_o}}{C_1C_2R_2}+\frac{C_1C_2R_2\ddot{V_o}}{C_1C_2R_2}=\frac{V_{in}}{R_1C_1C_2R_2}

Simplify
\frac{\dot{V_o}}{R_1C_2}+\frac{V_o}{C_1C_2R_1R_2}+\frac{\dot{V_o}}{C_2R_2}+\ddot{V_o}=\frac{V_{in}}{R_1C_1C_2R_2}
Rearrange
\ddot{V_o}+\frac{\dot{V_o}}{R_1C_2}+\frac{\dot{V_o}}{C_2R_2}+\frac{V_o}{C_1C_2R_1R_2}=\frac{V_{in}}{R_1C_1C_2R_2}<br />

This is the correct solution:
\ddot{V_o}+\frac{\dot{V_o}}{R_1R_2}+\frac{V_o}{R_1R_2C_1C_2}=\frac{V_{in}}{R_1}

What am I doing wrong?
 
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I did a quick check and I have to say I'm liking your solution better than the "correct" solution. The units don't look right in their solution:

$$\frac{[V]}{[ s ]^2} + \frac{[V]}{[Ω]^2[ s ]} + \frac{[V]}{[ s ]^2} = \frac{[V]}{[Ω]}$$
 
gneill said:
I did a quick check and I have to say I'm liking your solution better than the "correct" solution. The units don't look right in their solution:

$$\frac{[V]}{[ s ]^2} + \frac{[V]}{[Ω]^2[ s ]} + \frac{[V]}{[ s ]^2} = \frac{[V]}{[Ω]}$$
I typed it wrong, correct (given) solution should be this:
<br /> \ddot{V_o}+\frac{\dot{V_o}}{R_1C_2}+\frac{V_o}{R_1R_2C_1C_2}=\frac{V_{in}}{R_1}
 
Still don't like their solution. The RHS has V/Ω for units (so a current). The LHS is all V/s2.
 
gneill said:
Still don't like their solution. The RHS has V/Ω for units (so a current). The LHS is all V/s2.
So mine looks right?
 
eehelp150 said:
So mine looks right?
I believe so, yes.
 
gneill said:
I believe so, yes.
If I want to find characteristic roots, I set LHS = 0 and solve, correct?
So it'd look something like:
d^2 + 2/(R1C2)*d+1/(R1R2C1C2)=0
D1=..., D2=...
 
Something like that, yes. You probably want to collect your to Vo' terms into a single term. Unless R1 = R2 they have different denominators.
 

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