Solve Physics Q1 from 2007 Paper61. Cambridge Maths Postgrad

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The forum discussion revolves around solving Question 1 from the 2007 Cambridge Maths Postgraduate Paper 61, specifically focusing on the expression n_{[a;b}n_{c]}=0. Participants discuss the definitions of normal vectors and their relationships to tangent vectors T^a and the hypersurface β(x)=0. Key insights include the use of covariant derivatives and the properties of Killing vectors, leading to the conclusion that the antisymmetrization of covariant derivatives of normal vectors results in zero, confirming the original exercise's requirements.

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  • Understanding of covariant derivatives and their properties in differential geometry.
  • Familiarity with normal vectors and their role in hypersurfaces.
  • Knowledge of Killing vectors and their implications in Riemannian geometry.
  • Proficiency in manipulating tensor equations and antisymmetrization techniques.
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  • Study the properties of covariant derivatives in the context of Riemannian geometry.
  • Learn about the implications of Killing vectors on the curvature of manifolds.
  • Examine the relationship between normal vectors and tangent vectors in hypersurfaces.
  • Explore the use of the Bianchi identities in tensor calculus.
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  • #31


A Killing vector is divergence-free, as it can be seen by contracting the 2 indices in their defining equation.

The 6th term is minus the 4th:

k_{b;c} k_{a}^{~;c} = k_{a}^{~;c} k_{b;c} = k_{a;c} k_{b}^{~;c} = - k_{c;a} k_{b}^{~;c}

Ok ?

I leave it to you to figure out why the first term is 0.
 
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  • #32


bigubau said:
A Killing vector is divergence-free, as it can be seen by contracting the 2 indices in their defining equation.

The 6th term is minus the 4th:

k_{b;c} k_{a}^{~;c} = k_{a}^{~;c} k_{b;c} = k_{a;c} k_{b}^{~;c} = - k_{c;a} k_{b}^{~;c}

Ok ?

I leave it to you to figure out why the first term is 0.

Yeah I made a stupid mistake when trying to get the 4th to cancel the 6th...

As for Killing vectors beign divergence free:
we contract the defining equation to get \nabla^a k_a + \nabla_a k^a=0 \Rightarrow \nabla^a k_a + \nabla^a k_a = 0 \Rightarrow \nabla^a k_a =0
i.e. k_c{}^{;c}=0
and hence the second term, k_{a;b} k_c{}^{;c}, will vanish.

The first term remains a mystery. Am I right in thinking that we want to show it's equal to negative itself and hence is zero?
The natural way to approach that would be to say
k_{a;b}{}^{;c}k_c=-k_{b;a}{}^{;c}k_c
Now the best I can come up with is arguing that whilst the two c indices are symmetric under exchange, the a and b indices are antisymmetric under exchange and therefore we have a symmetric term multiplying an antisymmetric term and so the whole thing will be zero. How's that? I have a feeling it's wrong because the c index terms aren't next to each other!
 
  • #33


I will give you a hint, not post the solution this time. You need to use one of the 2 points already proven in this problem.
 
  • #34


bigubau said:
I will give you a hint, not post the solution this time. You need to use one of the 2 points already proven in this problem.

Well, using the last thing we proved, we have that

k_{a;b}{}^{;c}k_c=k_{a;bc}k^c=R_{abc}{}^dk^ck_d

But the Riemann tensor is antisymmetric under exchange of indices c \leftrightarrow d but k^ck_d is symmetric and hence the whole thing vanishes.

Is that correct?
 
  • #36


bigubau said:
Yes. Finally :)

Now for the final part, it is asking us to show that u_a is parallel to k_a. But we have a static spacetime and so k_a will be hypersurface orthogonal. This means we are asked to show that u_a is also hypersurface orthogonal.

So the question is asking us to show that u_{[a;b}u_{c]}=0, correct?

Well we know that this spacetime will have energy momentum tensor T_{ab}=(\rho+p)u_au_b+pg_{ab}

So we have T_{ac;b}=(\rho+p) u_{a;b}u_c+u_au_{c;b} since g_{ac;b}=0

Then I tried writing u_{[a;b}u_{c]} in terms of T's but it didn't get me anywhere. Can you give me a hint please?
 
  • #37


latentcorpse said:
So we have

T_{ac;b}=(\rho+p) u_{a;b}u_c+u_au_{c;b} (1)

since

g_{ac;b}=0

If p and \rho are totally unrelated, then (1) is more that enough to prove your statement.

The hint is to consider a full antisymmetrization on all 3 terms of (1).
 
  • #38


bigubau said:
If p and \rho are totally unrelated, then (1) is more that enough to prove your statement.

The hint is to consider a full antisymmetrization on all 3 terms of (1).

I misstyped - it should be:

T_{ac;b}=(\rho+p)(u_{a;b}u_c+u_au_{c;b})

Anyway, I get a ridiculously long expression:

T_{ac;b}+T_{cb;a}+T_{ba;c}-T_{ca;b}-T_{ab;c}-T_{bc;a}=(\rho+p)(u_{a;b}u_c+u_{b;c}u_a+u_{c;a}u_b-u_{b;a}u_c-u_{a;c}u_b-U_{c;b}u_a+u_au_{c;b}+u_cu_{b;a}+u_bu_{a;c}-u_cu_{a;b}-u_au_{b;c}-u_bu_{c;a}
But all the terms on the RHS cancel and so
\Rightarrow T_{[ac;b]}=0

But if T_{ac;b}=(\rho+p)(u_{a;b}u_c+u_au_{c;b})

then we can conclude

u_{[a;b}u_{c]}+u_{[a}u_{c;b]}=0

which isn't quite what we want is it? We want to show u_{[a;b}u_{c]}=0, no?
 
  • #39


The energy momentum tensor is the RHS of the Einstein field equations, so it must be a symmetric second order tensor. Antisymmetrizing over the 2 free indices it would give 0. It's no need to give a proof for it. It's a trivial thing.
 
  • #40


bigubau said:
The energy momentum tensor is the RHS of the Einstein field equations, so it must be a symmetric second order tensor. Antisymmetrizing over the 2 free indices it would give 0. It's no need to give a proof for it. It's a trivial thing.

Ok. Yes, I should have spotted that. Althoughw e still arrive at the wrong conclusion do we not?
 
  • #41


The last point of this problem is really nice. I'll give you a hint: What does it mean for the 4-velocity u_a to be parallel to a covariant Killing vector k_a ? After that, I tell you that the solution of the problem involves the Einstein equations.
 
  • #42


bigubau said:
The last point of this problem is really nice. I'll give you a hint: What does it mean for the 4-velocity u_a to be parallel to a covariant Killing vector k_a ? After that, I tell you that the solution of the problem involves the Einstein equations.

Well if u_a is parallel to k_a then it will also be hypersurface orthogonal and hence it will also satisfy u_{[a;b}u_{c]}=0. Am I correct that this is what we are ultimately trying to prove?

Now the Einstein equations read:

8 \pi ( \rho + p) u_a u_b + 8 \pi p g_{ab} = R_{ab} - \frac{1}{2} R g_{ab}

The only constructive thing I can think to do with this is to antisymmetrise it. This tells us u_au_b=0 i.e. the product u_au_b is symmetric but I'm not sure that really helps, does it?
 
  • #43


If they're parallel, then they must have the same direction, which mean that they (up to the modulus) should coincide when subject to a parallel transport.

This means that there exists a constant 'p' such that

k_a = p u_a

This means that everything you have proven for k_a applies for u_a.
 
  • #44


bigubau said:
If they're parallel, then they must have the same direction, which mean that they (up to the modulus) should coincide when subject to a parallel transport.

This means that there exists a constant 'p' such that

k_a = p u_a

This means that everything you have proven for k_a applies for u_a.

I understand that argument but I'm not sure that we have actually answered what the question is asking us, have we?

How do we go from the fact that T_{ab}=(\rho + p) u_au_b + pg_{ab} to deducing that u_a and k_a are parallel?

Thanks and sorry for dragging this out!
 
  • #45


The hint I'm giving you is to use Einstein's equation, one of the points already proved in the problem and one more fact: you know that in R^3 euclidean geometry, 2 vectors are parallel iff their cross product is 0.

This last fact can be extended to the space-time geometry determined by the existence of that particular T_ab.
 
  • #46


bigubau said:
The hint I'm giving you is to use Einstein's equation, one of the points already proved in the problem and one more fact: you know that in R^3 euclidean geometry, 2 vectors are parallel iff their cross product is 0.

This last fact can be extended to the space-time geometry determined by the existence of that particular T_ab.

Sorry. I'm just not seeing it. Please don't give me the answer, but could you offer a bit of extra help?
 
  • #47


You need to use the following things

1. E_{ab} = kT_{ab}

2. k_{a} R^{a}_{~[b} k_{c]} = 0

3. \mbox{a ext b} = 0 \Leftrightarrow \mbox{a} = \lambda \mbox{b}

3. contains the 1-forms a and b, lambda is a 0-form.
 
  • #48


bigubau said:
You need to use the following things

1. E_{ab} = kT_{ab}

2. k_{a} R^{a}_{~[b} k_{c]} = 0

3. \mbox{a ext b} = 0 \Leftrightarrow \mbox{a} = \lambda \mbox{b}

3. contains the 1-forms a and b, lambda is a 0-form.

Sorry again!

Starting from R_{ab}-\frac{1}{2}Rg_{ab}=8 \pi \rho u_au_b + 8 \pi p u_au_b + 8 \pi pg_{ab}, what should I do next?
Antisymmetrise? Or Raise an index with a metric and then contract with k_a? Or something else entirely?

Thanks.
 
  • #49


To use 2. you have to enter the Ricci curvature in terms of the 4-velocity. Can you do that ?
 
  • #50


bigubau said:
To use 2. you have to enter the Ricci curvature in terms of the 4-velocity. Can you do that ?

Is it as follows?

R_{ab}=8 \pi ( \rho + p) u_au_b + ( 8 \pi p + \frac{1}{2} R) g_{ab}
R^a{}_b=8 \pi ( \rho + p) u^a u_b + (8 \pi p + \frac{1}{2} R) \delta^a{}_b
 
  • #51


The separation is not fully done (there's some explicit and some implicit dependence of the Ricci tensor of u), however the second equation will lead you to a successful use of 1. and 2. in what I wrote above.

So post your final equation.
 
  • #52


bigubau said:
The separation is not fully done (there's some explicit and some implicit dependence of the Ricci tensor of u), however the second equation will lead you to a successful use of 1. and 2. in what I wrote above.

So post your final equation.

Well, I don't knkow how to use that in 1.

However, for 2. I get:

k_aR^a{}_{[b}k_{c]}=0
\Rightarrow 4 \pi ( \rho + p) k_a u^a ( u_b k_c - u_c k_b) + ( 4 \pi p + \frac{1}{4} R)(k_bk_c-k_ck_b)=0

I'm getting pretty confused as to where this is going though!
 
  • #53


What can you derive of what you've written ? The second term of the sum vanishes, right ? So ?
 
  • #54


bigubau said:
What can you derive of what you've written ? The second term of the sum vanishes, right ? So ?

u_b k_c=u_ck_b?

Is it then just a case of contracting with k^c since that gives

u_b k_c k^c=u_c k^c k_b \Rightarrow u_b = \lambda k_b since k_ck^c, u_c k^c are both scalars, right?
 
  • #55


Yes, finally. :)

Did you solve the rest of the exercises, in case you needed it ?
 

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