Solve the Tray Forces Puzzle: Find T and F

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The discussion focuses on solving the Tray Forces Puzzle, where a lunch tray with a mass of 0.2 kg, a 1 kg plate of food, and a 0.25 kg cup of coffee is held parallel to the ground. The forces T (thumb) and F (fingers) are to be calculated, with the equation T = FX representing the balance of counterclockwise and clockwise forces. The correct approach involves using the point of contact of the fingers as the pivot point to simplify torque calculations, allowing for the determination of T first, followed by F through force balance.

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Homework Statement


A lunch tray is being held in one hand, as the Drawing illustrates. The mass of the tray is .2 kg and its center of gravity is located at its geometric center (the tray is .4m long). On the tray is a 1 kg plate of food and a .25 kg cup of coffee. Obtain the force T exerted by the thumb and the force F exerted by the four fingers. Both forces act perpendicular to the tray, which is being held parallel to the ground.


Homework Equations


T=FX=Counterclockwise forces - clockwise forces = 0


The Attempt at a Solution


T= ((f)(.1)) - ( (t)(.06m) + (.2kg)(.2m)(10 m/s^2) + (1kg)(.24)(10) + (.25)(.38)(10m/s^2)) = 0

manipulated the equation so I got F= 625 + T

I Isolated T to be1656.25lbs of force, which is obviously wrong. Help!
 

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shotgunbob said:
T=FX=Counterclockwise forces - clockwise forces = 0
no, ccw torques balance cw torques. "up" forces balance "down" forces.

T= ((f)(.1)) - ( (t)(.06m) + (.2kg)(.2m)(10 m/s^2) + (1kg)(.24)(10) + (.25)(.38)(10m/s^2)) = 0

looks like you're balancing torques, but what have you picked as a pivot point? I'd use the point of contact of the fingers, since that would make the torque there zero, leaving one unknown (T).

After finding T, go to balance the up and down forces to find F.
 
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