Solve Velocity: 423,000=5504v+4.37v^3

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The problem involves solving the cubic equation 423,000 = 5504v + 4.37v^3 for the variable v, which represents velocity. Participants express concerns about the complexity of manually solving this equation compared to using software.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the cubic equation and the potential methods for finding its roots, including trial and error and iterative methods like Newton's Method. There is also mention of the complexity of the cubic formula compared to the quadratic formula.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various methods being suggested for approaching the problem. Some participants express uncertainty about the expectations for manual calculation versus software use, while others share insights into possible methods for finding a solution.

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Participants note the tutor's expectation for a manual calculation despite having used software to find a solution, raising questions about the appropriateness of this expectation given the equation's complexity.

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Homework Statement


423,000=5504v+4.37v^3
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Could someone please advise on how to solve for velocity(v)? Our tutor solved the equation using equation solver software to get 36.9 m/s (133km/h) but he included it in our exam and wanted a manual calculation of the velocity... It's beyond me, I am just trying to gauge how difficult it is to obtain the answer as I find it unusual that he had to use software to get a value but expected us to calculate it manually.
 
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MeL82vin said:

Homework Statement


423,000=5504v+4.37v^3
2. Questions
Could someone please advise on how to solve for velocity(v)? Our tutor solved the equation using equation solver software to get 36.9 m/s (133km/h) but he included it in our exam and wanted a manual calculation of the velocity... It's beyond me, I am just trying to gauge how difficult it is to obtain the answer as I find it unusual that he had to use software to get a value but expected us to calculate it manually.
This is a cubic equation in v. There is a formula for calculating the roots of a cubic equation, but it is much more complicated than the quadratic formula for sloving quadratic equations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_function

Rather than memorizing several pages of formulas, it's probably easier to use a trial and error method to find a root.
 
SteamKing said:
This is a cubic equation in v. There is a formula for calculating the roots of a cubic equation, but it is much more complicated than the quadratic formula for sloving quadratic equations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_function

Rather than memorizing several pages of formulas, it's probably easier to use a trial and error method to find a root.
Now that you have mentioned "trial and error" I'm fairly sure that's the method he wanted us to use. It didn't seem so obvious at the time though! Hopefully it doesn't catch me out again, thanks for the help.
 
You could also apply an iterative method that will converge to a solution. There are many to choose from. Check out Newton's Method for the "classic" example. It requires a bit of calculus (one derivative). It helps if you have a programmable calculator.
 
let f(v)= 4.37v^3 + 5504v - 423000
f'(v)= 13.11v^2 + 5504 >0 for all v belong to R.

=> f is monotonically increasing

f''(v)=26.22v
=> f has a point of inflection at v=0

you can easily sketch the rough graph for f
now using the mid point concept
put v=0 -> f(0)<0
put v=100 --> f(100)>0
put v=50 --> f(50)>0
pt v=25 --> f(25)<0
put v= 37.5 --> f(37.5)>0
put v= 31.25 --> f(31.25)<0
put v= 34.375--> f(34.375)<0
put v= 35.9375 ---> f(35.975)<0
put v= 36.71875 --> f(36.71875)<0
put v= 37.109375 --> f(37.109365)>0
put v= 36.9140625 --> f(36.9140625) is nearly zero => approximate solution for v= 36.9
 
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