Solving a Second-Order Nonlinear Differential Equation

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The discussion focuses on solving a second-order nonlinear differential equation related to a rocket's landing from an altitude of 100 km, considering simplified forces such as drag and gravity. The drag force is expressed as a function of air density, which varies with altitude, and the user attempts to derive a position vs. time equation. Challenges arise in solving the differential equation due to the complexity introduced by the varying air density. Suggestions include using an exponential approximation for air density and substituting variables to facilitate integration. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly substituting dt = dh/v to progress towards a solution.
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Homework Statement


Hi, I'm trying to calculate the formula for the position vs. time of a rocket landing from an altitude of 100km. I'm neglecting a lot of forces for simplification but basically, I want to solve ##F_{net} = Drag - mg##.

Homework Equations


Drag Force: D = ## \frac {C_dAρv^2} {2}##

Air Density at height h: ρ(h) = b * h
(I'm just assuming this to simplify the calculation. In the real derivation I would find an equation for each layer of the atmosphere since they differ).

Simplified D = ##kρv^2## where k = ## \frac {C_dA} {2}##

The Attempt at a Solution


##F_{net} = Drag - mg##
##m \frac {dv} {dt} = kρv^2- mg##
##m \frac {dv} {dt} = kbhv^2- mg##

Now I can write v as ## \frac {dh} {dt}##:

##m \frac {dh^2} {d^2t} = kbh{ ( \frac {dh} {dt})}^2- mg##

Here's where I can't solve it. I've never really taken advanced differential equations so I would just like some tips to go in the right direction. I want to get an h(t) type of equation at the end. If that isn't possible, I would still like to simplify the differential to maybe just solve for a numerical answer.
 
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Hi,

google terminal velocity differential equation and find e.g. eq 11 here

##\rho## and ##v## vary slowly with altitude
 
Hi, the website that you gave doesn't account for ρ. I have already solved the equation in the website when just velocity changes. But when I add the ρ, the equation becomes harder for me since h(t) and h'(t) are multiplied.
 
Your equation for the air density is not correct. A more appropriate approximation would be ##\rho = \rho_0 e^{-bh}##
To solve the differential equation, write dt = dh/v.
 
Oh ok. So I would get:

##m \frac {dv} {dt} = kp_0e^{-bh}v^2 - mg##

Since ## \frac {dh} {dt} = v## → ##dh = v dt## → ##h = \frac {v^2} {2} + C##
Substituting:

##m \frac {dv} {dt} = kp_0e^{\frac {-bv^2} {2} + C}v^2 - mg##

⇒ ##m \frac {dv} {dt} = Ckp_0e^{\frac {-bv^2} {2}}v^2 - mg##

⇒## \frac {dv} {Ckp_0e^{\frac {-bv^2} {2}}v^2 - mg} = \frac {dt} {m}##
 
bob14 said:
Oh ok. So I would get:

##m \frac {dv} {dt} = kp_0e^{-bh}v^2 - mg##

Since ## \frac {dh} {dt} = v## → ##dh = v dt## → ##h = \frac {v^2} {2} + C##
Substituting:

##m \frac {dv} {dt} = kp_0e^{\frac {-bv^2} {2} + C}v^2 - mg##

⇒ ##m \frac {dv} {dt} = Ckp_0e^{\frac {-bv^2} {2}}v^2 - mg##

⇒## \frac {dv} {Ckp_0e^{\frac {-bv^2} {2}}v^2 - mg} = \frac {dt} {m}##
This is not what I said. Substitute dt = dh/v in dv/dt, and integrate with respect to h.
 

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