Solving a Sound Wave Equation in Physics 1: Halliday, Resnick, and Krane

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The discussion focuses on solving a sound wave equation from the 5th edition of "Physics 1" by Halliday, Resnick, and Krane. The primary equation under scrutiny is the relationship between density (ρ), mass (m), and volume (V), specifically how to derive the equation ρ(V) = m/V. Participants clarify the differentiation process, emphasizing that the derivative of density with respect to volume yields -m/V². The conversation highlights the importance of understanding derivatives and differentials in physics.

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Homework Statement:: This is from 5 ed, Physics 1Halliday, Resnick, and Krane. page 428 about sound waves

I have highlighted the equation that I don't understand. How did the author get it? I understand how they get from the middle side to the RHS of the equation, but I don't understand how they get from the first equation to the middle equation.

I don't have any problem with anything before.
Relevant Equations:: Density: Rho = Mass / Volume

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Differentiation.
 
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Orodruin said:
Differentiation.
Is it like this?

dm/dv^2 = - m /(V^2)
so
dp = dm/dv = dv * (-m/(V^2))
 
No. Use ##\Delta y/\Delta x \simeq dy/dx##
 
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Orodruin said:
No. Use ##\Delta y/\Delta x \simeq dy/dx##

Like this?
##d\rho = \frac{\Delta \rho}{\Delta V}dV##
but ##\frac{\Delta \rho}{\Delta V} = -\frac{m}{V^2}##
 
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Afo said:
Is it like this?

dm/dv^2 = - m /(V^2)
so
dp = dm/dv = dv * (-m/(V^2))
Okay, I know why this is false.
It doesn't work since ##\frac{a}{b} = \frac{c}{d}## doesn't imply ## \frac{a}{b^2} = \frac{c}{d^2}.## If that was true, that would mean ##|dV| = |V|## which is obviously false.
 
Do you know how a derivative works?
 
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Orodruin said:
Do you know how a derivative works?
I am still in high school so this is what I know:

1. We can view ##\frac{d}{dx}## as an operator so ##\frac{d}{dx}f(x) = \frac{df}{dx}## is the derivative of ##f## w.r.t. ##x##.

Another way is to view it in terms of differentials:
2. ##dx## and ##dy## are called differentials. The differential ##dx## is an independent variable. The differential ##dy## is defined to be ##dy = f'(x) dx##

Both ways are rigorous.
 
So, let ##x = V##, ##y = \rho(V)## and use 2 to relate ##d\rho## to ##dV##.
 
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Orodruin said:
So, let ##x = V##, ##y = \rho(V)## and use 2 to relate ##d\rho## to ##dV##.
:doh:Ok, I got it!

##\rho(V) = \frac{m}{V}## is a function of volume and ##m## is a constant.

Thus ##\frac{d}{dV} \rho(V) = \frac{d}{dV} \frac{m}{V} = m\frac{d}{dV} \frac{1}{V} = -\frac{m}{V^2}##
 
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