Solving a Trigonometric Equation: Sec Theta

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The discussion revolves around a trigonometric equation involving secant, specifically sec θ = 4xy / (x+y)², where x and y are real numbers. Participants are exploring the implications of this equation and the conditions under which it holds true.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning how to start solving the problem and what values for x and y are permissible. There is a focus on the definition of secant and its implications for the values of x and y.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on considering the definitions of trigonometric functions and the implications of the values of x and y. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which the equation is valid, with multiple interpretations being discussed.

Contextual Notes

There are constraints regarding the values of x and y, particularly concerning their positivity or negativity, and the implications of these constraints on the validity of the equation. Participants are also reflecting on the maximum and minimum values of trigonometric functions and their absolute values.

  • #31
Pranav-Arora said:
Ya, i know. For |sin x|=|cos x|, x=(pi/4).
Right..?

That is correct!, and the maximum value the sum reaches at that point is Square root 2.

See my other answer as to why the minimum is 1 and the maximum shown here is root 2.

whoops - two overlapping responses too.
 
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  • #32
PeterO said:
i am glad you know that - I thought you would.

As you know the graph of |cos x| , over the 0 to 2pi [0 to 360] range starts at 1, loops down to zero, just as the sine reaches it peak, loops back up to 1 just as the first sine loop drops to zero, then repeats.

To add the sketches together you draw a series of fine , faint, vertical lines across the sketch of the two graphs. The first is at x = 0, the last is at x = 2 x pi and you want about 12 to 16 of them evenly spaced.

You then measure/estimate how far above the axis the lower graph is, and mark a point that far above where the vertical cuts the upper graph. You then join the dots.

Importantly, you will see that when ever one graph has a zero value, the other one has a value of 1. In fact there is no point where both graphs are at zero, so when you add them you always get a total more than zero.
The answewr you want at the end, is the one that does NOT have a range starting at zero - option (d).

The same way is followed by my teacher but in the exam, graphs go out of my mind and i don't like adding them. Yet they are really helpful when finding out the number of solutions for a equation. :smile:

eumyang said:
Yes. Now find |sin x| + |cos x| if x = π/4.
|sin x| + |cos x|=\sqrt{2} if x=pi/4.
 
  • #33
Well, no thanks to PeterO, the answer was already out of the bag. Hopefully, that answer was the one you marked.

And I really shouldn't be posting late at night (it's 1:30am where I currently am) and a little drunk. :redface: Sorry for the mistakes earlier.
 
  • #34
eumyang said:
Well, no thanks to PeterO, the answer was already out of the bag. Hopefully, that answer was the one you marked.

And I really shouldn't be posting late at night (it's 1:30am where I currently am) and a little drunk. :redface: Sorry for the mistakes earlier.

Yes, i ticked the (d) option. :smile:

WTH! You are still awake at 1:30am. Here it's 10:30PM.
 

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