Solving an Initial value problem using Laplace transform

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The discussion revolves around solving an initial value problem using the Laplace transform, specifically the equation \(\ddot{y} + 2y = 0\) with initial conditions \(y(0) = C1\) and \(\dot{y}(0) = C2\). Participants explore the application of Laplace transforms to derive the solution and discuss the implications of constants in the context of trigonometric functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the transformation of functions and their corresponding Laplace transforms, particularly focusing on the forms \(s/(s^2+k^2)\) and \(k/(s^2+k^2)\). There is an exploration of how to incorporate constants \(C1\) and \(C2\) into the solution.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationships between Laplace transforms and trigonometric functions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of constants and the forms of the solutions, but there remains uncertainty about the final expression and the role of constants.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of initial conditions and the specific forms required for Laplace transforms, leading to questions about the presence and significance of constants in the solution.

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Homework Statement


Solve the Initial value problem using Laplace transform
[itex]\ddot{y}[/itex] +2y = 0, y0 = C1, [itex]\dot{y}[/itex] = C2


Homework Equations



[s2 - sy(0) - y'(0)] + a[sY - y(0)] + bY

The Attempt at a Solution


s2Y - sy(0) - y'(0) + 2y = 0
s2Y + 2Y = sy(0) + y'(0)
(s2 + 2)Y = s(C1) + (C2)
Y = (s(C1))/[s2 + 2] + (C2)/[s2 + 2]

And that is as far as I can get as I am unsure what to do now?
 
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Well the laplace transform of what function gives the form s/(s2+k2)?

Similarly what function's transform give k/(s2+k2)?



(Hint:Think trig functions)
 
Oh so I use cos[itex]\omega[/itex]t
 
Actually I am confused does that mean for the first bit my answer is cos([itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] t) what happens to the C1?
 
Rubik said:
Oh so I use cos[itex]\omega[/itex]t

Right so cosωt would give ω/(s22), so comparing this to C1* s/(s2+2) what is ω ?

Rubik said:
Actually I am confused does that mean for the first bit my answer is cos([itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] t) what happens to the C1?

The C1 should be there, even if your book says it isn't there, it should be there still.
 
so is my answer just C1cos([itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] t) otherwise I am really confused..
 
rock.freak667 said:
Right so cosωt would give ω/(s22), so comparing this to C1* s/(s2+2) what is ω ?



My book says it is s/(s2 + [itex]\omega[/itex]2) and not a numerator of [itex]\omega[/itex]
 
Rubik said:
so is my answer just C1cos([itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] t) otherwise I am really confused..

No, remember you have two functions.

Rubik said:
rock.freak667 said:
Right so cosωt would give ω/(s22), so comparing this to C1* s/(s2+2) what is ω ?


My book says it is s/(s2 + [itex]\omega[/itex]2) and not a numerator of [itex]\omega[/itex]

Sorry, I wrote the other one.

s/(s22) compared to s/(s2+2) gives ω as?


If you are confused as to what I am trying to get you to see, look up the laplace transforms for cosine and sine.
 
so [itex]\omega[/itex]2 = 2 which implies [itex]\omega[/itex] = [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]?
 
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Good. So you have [tex]Y(s) = C_1 \frac{s}{s^2+\omega^2} + (C_2/\omega)\frac{\omega}{s^2+\omega^2}[/tex]where [itex]\omega^2 = 2[/itex]. Note I multiplied and divided the second term by ω to get the Laplace transform to look like one in the table. The first term corresponds to [itex]C_1 \cos \omega t[/itex], as you noted earlier. What do you get for the second term?
 
  • #11
Is it right to do the second term as C2(1/(s2 + 2) which corresponds to (1/[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]) sin([itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]t)?
 
  • #12
Sure. I just wrote it with ω on top because that's how it most likely appears in the table, rather than 1/(s22).
 
  • #13
Thank you so much for all your help :D I am finally beginning to understand!
 
  • #14
Y = (s(C1))/[s2 + 2] + (C2)/[s2 + 2]

And that is as far as I can get as I am unsure what to do now?


Just use tables! Of course you have to jiggle your constants around a bit in order to accommodate the particular form your tables happen to be in.
 

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