Solving an integral by substitution method

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The discussion revolves around solving integrals using substitution methods, specifically focusing on undefined (indefinite) integrals. Participants explore various integrals involving trigonometric and hyperbolic functions, as well as logarithmic expressions.

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  • Participants discuss different substitution strategies for integrals, questioning the effectiveness of their chosen methods. Some suggest alternative substitutions, while others clarify terminology related to indefinite integrals. There is also exploration of the definitions of hyperbolic functions and their implications for integration.

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Several participants have shared their attempts at solving specific integrals, with some expressing confusion about their results. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of substitution and the application of integration rules, particularly in relation to the integral of 1/x. Multiple interpretations of the problems are being explored, and some participants have successfully solved specific integrals while others seek clarification on their methods.

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Hi there. I'm dealing with undefined integrals now. And I found this one that I don't know how to solve.
The problem statement says: Solve the next integrals using the substitution method.

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cos(x)}{\sin^3(x)}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried this way, but I don't know how to continue, and maybe there is a simpler way for solving it.

I thought of this substitution:

[tex]u=\sin^3(x)[/tex]

[tex]du=3\sin^2(x)\cos(x)dx[/tex]

[tex]du=3\cos(x)[1-cos^2(x)]dx[/tex]
[tex]du=3\cos(x)dx-3\cos^3(x)dx[/tex]

But then I don't know how to use it in my integral: [tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cos(x)}{\sin^3(x)}[/tex]

Any suggestion?

Bye.
 
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Try a different substitution for u. I see two basic functions, one of which is the derivative of another one in your integral. Can you spot them?
 
Telemachus said:
I'm dealing with undefined integrals now.
I think you mean indefinite integrals, ones without limits of integration.

Also don't forget the dx. As the integration techniques become more complicated, omitting this will come back to bite you.
 
Thanks. I've solved it using [tex]u=sin(x)[/tex]

Sorry for the misspelling, my English is not too good :P

Now, here is another one, which I've also solved, but when I've tried to corroborate it on derive I've found a different result from which I've found:

I must solve: [tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cosh(\ln(x))}{3x}dx[/tex]

So I've proceeded this way:

[tex]u=ln(x)[/tex]
[tex]du=\displaystyle\frac{1}{x}dx[/tex]

And then:

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cosh(\ln(x))}{3x}dx=\displaystyle\frac{1}{3}\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cosh(\ln(x))}{x}dx=\displaystyle\frac{1}{3}\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\cosh(u)du=\displaystyle\frac{1}{3}sh(u)+C=\displaystyle\frac{1}{3}sh(ln(x))+C[/tex]

But derive gives:

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cosh(\ln(x))}{3x}dx=\displaystyle\frac{x}{6}-\displaystyle\frac{1}{6x}[/tex]

What am I doing wrong?

Bye there!
 
Telemachus said:
Thanks. I've solved it using [tex]u=sin(x)[/tex]

Sorry for the misspelling, my English is not too good :P

Now, here is another one, which I've also solved, but when I've tried to corroborate it on derive I've found a different result from which I've found:

I must solve: [tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cosh(\ln(x))}{3x}dx[/tex]

So I've proceeded this way:

[tex]u=ln(x)[/tex]
[tex]du=\displaystyle\frac{1}{x}dx[/tex]

And then:

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cosh(\ln(x))}{3x}dx=\displaystyle\frac{1}{3}\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cosh(\ln(x))}{x}dx=\displaystyle\frac{1}{3}\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\cosh(u)du=\displaystyle\frac{1}{3}sh(u)+C=\displaystyle\frac{1}{3}sh(ln(x))+C[/tex]

But derive gives:

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cosh(\ln(x))}{3x}dx=\displaystyle\frac{x}{6}-\displaystyle\frac{1}{6x}[/tex]

What am I doing wrong?

Bye there!
i believe they are using the definitions of the cosh and sinh functions. [tex]\sinh x = \tfrac12\left(e^x - e^{-x}\right)[/tex]
 
Thanks, I think you're right.

Now, is this right?

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\sin(t)\cos(t)}{\sqrt[ ]{3\sin(t)+5}}dt[/tex]

I've used:

[tex]u=3\sin(t)+5\Rightarrow{\sin(t)=\displaystyle\frac{u-5}{3}}[/tex]

[tex]du=3\cos(t)dt[/tex]

Then:

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\sin(t)\cos(t)}{\sqrt[ ]{3\sin(t)+5}}dt=\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\sin(t)3\cos(t)}{3\sqrt[2]{3\sin(t)+5}}dt=\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\displaystyle\frac{u-5}{3}du}{3\sqrt[2]{u}}=\displaystyle\int_{}^{}(u\sqrt[ ]{u}-5\sqrt[ ]{u})du=[/tex]

[tex]=\displaystyle\int_{}^{}(u^{3/2}-5\sqrt[ ]{u})du=\displaystyle\frac{2}{5}u^{5/2}-\displaystyle\frac{10}{3}u^{3/2}+C=\displaystyle\frac{2}{5}(3\sin(t)+5)^{5/2}-\displaystyle\frac{10}{3}(3\sin(t)+5)^{3/2}+C[/tex]
 
cosh(x) = (1/2)*(e^x + e^-x)
&
e^ln(x) = x
then:
cosh(ln(x)) = (1/2)*(e^ln(x) + e^-ln(x)) = (1/2)*(x - 1/x)

now you have no problem doing that integral.
 
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Thank you gomunkul51.
 
For the Integral:

[tex] \displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cos(x)} {\sin^3(x)}[/tex]

Try integration by parts.

V=1/sin(x)
U'=cos(x)/sin^2(x)

Can you do the rest?
 
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I've solved it using [tex]u=sin(x)[/tex] [tex]du=cos(x)[/tex]

Now...

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\cos^3(x)\sin^4(x)dx[/tex]

[tex]u=\sin(x)[/tex]
[tex]du=cos(x)dx[/tex]

[tex]sin^2(x)+cos^2(x)=1\Rightarrow{cos^2(x)=1-\sin^2(x)}[/tex]

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\cos^3(x)\sin^4(x)dx=\displaystyle\int_{}^{}(1-\sin^2(x))\sin^4(x)\cos(x)dx=\displaystyle\int_{}^{}(\sin^4(x)-\sin^6(x))\cos(x)dx=\displaystyle\int_{}^{}(u^4-u^6)du=\displaystyle\frac{u^5}{5}-\displaystyle\frac{u^7}{7}+C=\displaystyle\frac{\sin^5(x)}{5}-\displaystyle\frac{\sin^7(x)}{7}+C[/tex]

Did I make any mistake on this?
 
  • #11
For:
[tex] \displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cos(x)} {\sin^3(x)}[/tex]

If you want to use substitution try:

t=1/sin^2(x)

differentiate it and see how it can help you :)

*for the future in those trig integral try to find your substitutions by picking not the whole nominator or denominator but just a part of it as in taking just sin^2(x) from sin^3(x) and integrating or differentiating a seeing where it got you !
 
  • #12
This is what I did:

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cos(x)} {\sin^3(x)}[/tex]

[tex]u=\sin(x)[/tex]
[tex]du=\cos(x)dx[/tex]

Then:

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cos(x)}{\sin^3(x)}=\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{du}{u^3}=\displaystyle\frac{u^{-2}}{-2}+C=\displaystyle\frac{1}{-2\sin^2(x)}+C[/tex]
 
  • #13
On:

[tex] \displaystyle\int_{}^{}\cos^3(x)\sin^4(x)dx[/tex]

you right.
you did a great job, very efficient and quick integration.
 
  • #14
Thank you gomunkul51.
 
  • #15
One of the things you could have done is used
[tex] \cos^{3}x=\cos x (1-\sin^{2})<br /> [\tex]<br /> and then you can integrate easily.[/tex]
 
  • #16
Ok. I have one more doubt about this. For example in this case, as I solved:

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{\cos(x)} {\sin^3(x)}=\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{du}{u^3}=\displaystyle\frac{u^{-2}}{-2}+C=\displaystyle\frac{1}{-2\sin^2(x)}+C[/tex]

Particularly this part:
[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{du}{u^3}=\displaystyle\frac{u^{-2}}{-2}+C[/tex]
I just applied that [tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}u^ndu=\displaystyle\frac{u^{n+1}}{n+1}+C[/tex]

right?

But when I have [tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{du}{u}=\ln(u)+C[/tex]

I know that it is because of the that the derivative of [tex]ln(x)=\displaystyle\frac{1}{x}[/tex], and if I've used what I did in the previous case it would drive me into an undefined, I mean if I do

[tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}\displaystyle\frac{du}{u}=\displaystyle\int_{}^{}u^{-1}du=1/0[/tex] That if I use [tex]\displaystyle\int_{}^{}u^ndu=\displaystyle\frac{u^{n+1}}{n+1}+C[/tex]

Well, I don't know if its clear what I'm trying to say, anyway...
 
  • #17
The integral
[tex] \int x^{n}dx=\frac{x^{n+1}}{n+1}+c[/tex]
doesn't apply with the case of 1/x
 
  • #18
hunt_mat said:
The integral
[tex] \int x^{n}dx=\frac{x^{n+1}}{n+1}+c[/tex]
doesn't apply with the case of 1/x
In other words, when n = -1.
 
  • #19
You got it right, integral of 1/x is ln(x)
any other power of x you use that power rule you used.
 
  • #20
It all comes down to the fundamental theorem of calculus really.
 

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