Solving an ordinary differential equation.

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The discussion revolves around solving an ordinary differential equation (ODE) and the choice of initial conditions, particularly why the value of t is set to 0 in the context of the problem presented.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the reasoning behind selecting t=0 as a lower limit for integration, with some suggesting it is a matter of convention. Others discuss how different lower limits could affect the constant of integration.

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Several participants have contributed insights regarding the choice of initial conditions and the implications of using different lower limits in the integration process. There is an ongoing exploration of the topic without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Participants note that the initial condition at t=0 is significant, and the discussion includes considerations of how changing the lower limit affects the integration and the resulting expressions.

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Here is an example from the book:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64325990/MATH%20255/EX%204.PNG


Does anyone know why they chose t to be equal to 0?

Thanks!
 
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I think it's just convention. Once my DE book used the general x0 as the lower limit (where the independent variable was x).
 
theBEAST said:

Homework Statement


Here is an example from the book:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64325990/MATH%20255/EX%204.PNG


Does anyone know why they chose t to be equal to 0?

Thanks!

The point t=0 is special, because the initial condition was given there. However, in the integral you could choose any specific lower limit you want; that would just change the needed value of c. For example, we could choose the lower limit = 2. Then we would have
[tex]e^{t^2/4}y= \int_2^t e^{s^2/4}\, ds + c,[/tex]
so we would determine [itex]c[/itex] by equating [itex]e^0 y(0) = y(0) = 1[/itex] to
[tex]\int_2^0 e^{s^2/4}\, ds + c,[/tex] to get
[tex]c = 1 - \int_2^0 e^{s^2/4}\, ds = 1 + \int_0^2 e^{s^2/4}\, ds,[/tex] and this gives
[tex]y = e^{-t^2/4} \left[1 + \int_0^2 e^{s^2/4}\, ds + \int_2^t e^{s^2/4}\, ds \right]\\<br /> \;\;\; = e^{-t^2/4}\left[1 + \int_0^t e^{s^2/4}\, ds \right].[/tex] You would have gotten this right away if you had used 0 in the lower limit right from the start.

RGV
 
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To add to what others have said, you can write the step before you integrate as$$
(e^{\frac {t^2} 4}y)' = e^{\frac {t^2} 4}$$
Now by the fundamental theorem of calculus if you integrate from 0 to t you get $$
e^{\frac {t^2} 4}y(t)-e^0y(0)=\int_0^te^{\frac {s^2} 4}ds$$The point of using 0 for the lower limit is you know ##y(0)=1##, and it is a simple step to solve for ##y(t)##.
 
I find the neatest way to impose the initial conditions is by using definite integration of both LHS and RHS. The lower bounds correspond to the initial conditions, the upper are left variable. This way you never have to bother to calculate the constant of integration explicitly.
 

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