Solving Bicycle Brake Problem: Acceleration & Time to Stop

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the deceleration of a bicycle due to a braking force that increases linearly over time. The problem includes questions about the magnitude and direction of acceleration, whether the acceleration is constant, the time taken to stop, and the distance traveled during braking.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between force and acceleration, questioning how the given force affects the acceleration of the bicycle. Some participants express uncertainty about the constancy of acceleration and its implications for using kinematic equations. Others discuss integrating acceleration to find velocity and position functions.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between force, acceleration, and time. Some participants have provided insights into the need for integration to solve for velocity and position, while others are working through the implications of initial conditions and constants of integration. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being examined, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of integrating the acceleration due to its dependence on time and the need to account for initial conditions when determining the final position and velocity. There are references to discrepancies between participants' answers and those found in textbooks, indicating potential misunderstandings or errors in calculations.

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Homework Statement



A person is riding a bicycle at a constant speed v along a straight road and then gradually applies the brakes until the bicycle comes to a stop. Assume that the magnitude of the braking force increases liearly in time acordinto F = bt where b is a constant. The rider & bicycle have a total mass m

a)what is the magnitude and directio nof the acceleration of the rider and bicycle

b) is the acceleration constant or not? Explain

c) How long does it take to come to a stop

d) how far does the bike travel during the time the brakes are applied

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The Attempt at a Solution



a) i need to find the acceleration of the bike

v = v0 + at, v = 0

a = -vo / t

[tex]\sum[/tex]Fx = ma = -vo/t - bt

a = (-vo/t - bt)/m

b) not possitive but i do think it is constant because the brakes are being applied @ a constant, so it is constantly decreasing. does that make sence?

c) assuming my answer is correct to part a, i would just solve for t, but I am not too comfortable with my answer to a so i haven't solved it yet

d) same as c, but i would solve for x
 
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Part (a) is incorrect. You are given a force F = bt. How is that force related to acceleration?
 
Fx = ma = bt

so a = bt/m

how do i allow for the initial velocity of the bicle, do i need to use a kinematic equation
 
The kinematic equations are valid only if the acceleration is constant. Here, the acceleration depends on time, therefore you cannot use them. You have enough information to answer parts (a) and (b). For part (c), you need to integrate the acceleration to find the velocity v(t) as a function of time. Once you have that, you can do part (d) by integrating the velocity to find the position x(t) as a function of time.
 
a)what is the magnitude and direction of the acerlation ?

Fx = ma = -bt mag of accel = -bt/m (
should it be possitive, is the mag the absolute value)

So the direction is negative

b)is the accerleration constant?

No because it is a functio of time

c)how long does it take to stop

v = [tex]\int[/tex]a dt = [tex]\int[/tex] (-bt)/m dt

v = -(bt2)/2m

t = [tex]\sqrt{2mv/-b}[/tex]

d)
 
d) x = [tex]\int[/tex]vdt = [tex]\int[/tex]-bt2/2m dt

x = -bt3/6m this is not correct
 
joemama69 said:
a)what is the magnitude and direction of the acerlation ?

Fx = ma = -bt mag of accel = -bt/m (
should it be possitive, is the mag the absolute value)

So the direction is negative
I would say opposite to the velocity instead of negative.
b)is the accerleration constant?

No because it is a functio of time
Good.
c)how long does it take to stop

v = [tex]\int[/tex]a dt = [tex]\int[/tex] (-bt)/m dt

v = -(bt2)/2m
You forgot the integration constant. You want the velocity to be v0 at t = 0, not zero as your expression suggests. Fix that first, then find the time it takes to stop.
 
[tex]\int[/tex]v = -bt2/2m + c where c = vo

t = [tex]\sqrt{2mv_o/b}[/tex]

part d,

x = [tex]\int[/tex]-bt2/2m + vodt = -bt3/6m + vot + c

the answer is x = 2/3vo(2mvo/b).5
 
Looks good.
 
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i didnt get the same answer as the book (x = 2/3v(2mv/b).5), where did i go wrong
 
  • #11
I can't tell you where you went wrong unless I see what your answer is and what you did to get it.
 
  • #12
v = -bt2/2m + vo

so i integrated v to get the position

x = [tex]\int[/tex] -bt2/2m + vo = -bt3/6m + vot + c


but the answer is x = 2/3vo(2mvo/b).5
 
  • #13
i attempted to pug in t, but that didnt work out either
 
  • #14
joemama69 said:
v = -bt2/2m + vo

so i integrated v to get the position

x = [tex]\int[/tex] -bt2/2m + vo = -bt3/6m + vot + c


but the answer is x = 2/3vo(2mvo/b).5

Call the second integration constant c = 0. You assume that when he starts braking he is at the origin. What you have above is the position at any time t. You want the position when he stops. You know how long it take him to stop, so...
 
  • #15
x = -bt3/6m + vot where t = (2mvo/b).5

x = -b(2mvo/b)3/2/6m + vo(2mvo/b).5

im stuck
 
  • #16
You need to remove the parentheses by raising what's inside to the appropriate powers so you can simplify. For example,

[tex]b\large(\frac{2mv_{0}}{b} \large)^{3/2}=b\frac{2^{3/2}m^{3/2}v_{0}^{3/2}}{b^{3/2}}[/tex]

Then the b in the numerator and the b3/2 in the denominator combine to give you a b1/2 in the denominator.
 

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