Solving ∫f(x)dx+f'(x)+rg'(r)-g(r)=0 for f and g

[Baashaas]

Homework Statement

This is a part of a much larger engineering problem I am working out, the functions f and g are integration functions appearing when a strain is integrated to determine a displacement.

I am stuck with the following problem:

determine f(x) and g(r) from the following equation:

∫f(x)dx+f'(x)+rg'(r)-g(r)=0

A hint in the problem description says you have to apply separation of variables.

Homework Equations

none given.

The Attempt at a Solution

I am getting stuck at this equation because it doesn't seem to be writeable in the standard form for separating variables.

\frac{dy}{dx}=g(x)f(y)

An example (without any elaboration) of a non homogeneous equation of the same form states that the solution of:

∫f(x)dx+f'(x)+rg'(r)-g(r)=A \cos{x}

gives

f(x)=0.5Ax \cos{x}+K \cos{x} + L \cos{x}

and

g(r)=Hr

Now I can see that this is a valid solution, but I have no idea how you separate the 2 functions so that that f is only a function of x and g is only a function of r.
I can of course write

∫f(x)dx+f'(x)+rg'(r)-g(r)=0

to

∫f(x)dx+f'(x)=-rg'(r)+g(r)

and than find a homogeneous solution of the form f(x)=K \cos{x} + L \cos{x}But where does g(r) go when finding the particular solution for f(x)?
Can you perhaps state that both ∫f(x)dx+f'(x) and rg'(r)-g(r) are constant?

I am seriously getting the feeling that I am missing something extremely obvious.

 

[PeroK]

Is there some relationship between r and x?

 

[Baashaas]

ohw wait, I mistyped, theta=x, ill fix it. There is no relation between r and x, it is a polar coordinate system.

 

[PeroK]

ohw wait, I mistyped, theta=x, ill fix it. There is no relation between r and x, it is a polar coordinate system.

So, I guess you don't count $r^2 = x^2 + y^2$ as a relationship? Or, is x something other than the x-coordinate?

 

[Baashaas]

So, I guess you don't count $r^2 = x^2 + y^2$ as a relationship? Or, is x something other than the x-coordinate?

Yeah, I am sorry, x should be theta in all equations. That would make things a lot clearer.

 

[PeroK]

But where does g(r) go when finding the particular solution for f(x)?
Can you perhaps state that both ∫f(x)dx+f'(x) and rg'(r)-g(r) are constant?

I am seriously getting the feeling that I am missing something extremely obvious.

If x and r (or θ and r) are independent variables, then this implies that both the above are constant.

 

[Ray Vickson]

Homework Statement

This is a part of a much larger engineering problem I am working out, the functions f and g are integration functions appearing when a strain is integrated to determine a displacement.

I am stuck with the following problem:

determine f(x) and g(r) from the following equation:

∫f(x)dx+f'(x)+rg'(r)-g(r)=0

A hint in the problem description says you have to apply separation of variables.

Homework Equations

none given.

The Attempt at a Solution

I am getting stuck at this equation because it doesn't seem to be writeable in the standard form for separating variables.

\frac{dy}{dx}=g(x)f(y)

An example (without any elaboration) of a non homogeneous equation of the same form states that the solution of:

∫f(x)dx+f'(x)+rg'(r)-g(r)=A \cos{x}

gives

f(x)=0.5Ax \cos{x}+K \cos{x} + L \cos{x}

and

g(r)=Hr

Now I can see that this is a valid solution, but I have no idea how you separate the 2 functions so that that f is only a function of x and g is only a function of r.
I can of course write

∫f(x)dx+f'(x)+rg'(r)-g(r)=0

to

∫f(x)dx+f'(x)=-rg'(r)+g(r)

and than find a homogeneous solution of the form f(x)=K \cos{x} + L \cos{x}


But where does g(r) go when finding the particular solution for f(x)?
Can you perhaps state that both ∫f(x)dx+f'(x) and rg'(r)-g(r) are constant?

I am seriously getting the feeling that I am missing something extremely obvious.

You are missing the whole point about "separation of variables" Write your equation as
L(x) = R(r),\\<br /> L(x) = \int f(x) \, dx + f&#039;(x) \\<br /> R(r) = g(r) - r g&#039;(r)
If you fix $r$ but vary $x$, the equation $L(x) = R(r)$ requires that $L(x)$ remain unchanged; that is, $L(x) = c$ for some constant $c$. Of course, that also requires that $R(r) = c$, so you have enough to determine both $x$ and $r$ up to some"boundary coonditions".