Solving for Unknown Currents in a Circuit: KCL and Homework Statement

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The discussion revolves around solving for unknown currents in a circuit using Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL). Participants are examining the application of KCL to various nodes in the circuit and questioning the validity of their equations and node selections.

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Main Points Raised

  • The first equation derived from KCL at the upper left node is presented as correct by the original poster.
  • The original poster questions the choice of nodes for applying KCL, particularly the selection of the bottom left and bottom right nodes.
  • Some participants suggest that a more conventional approach would be to use the top right node for the second KCL equation instead of the bottom right node.
  • There is a discussion about whether the equations derived from different nodes yield the same results, with some participants confirming that they do.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of the bottom right node and whether it should be treated as a ground reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the first equation but express differing opinions on the choice of nodes for applying KCL. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of using different nodes and the interpretation of the bottom right node.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the assumptions made about node selection and the implications of labeling nodes as ground. The discussion does not resolve whether the original poster's approach is the only valid method.

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Homework Statement



Find ##I_x## and ##I_1## in the following circuit:

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Homework Equations



##\sum I = 0##

The Attempt at a Solution



I want to know if I'm actually envisioning these currents correctly.

Applying KCL to the upper left node:

##(1) \quad 6 mA - I_1 - I_x = 0##

Applying KCL to the bottom left node:

##(2) \quad I_x + 1 mA + 1.5 I_x - 6 mA = 0##

Right away now I see that ##(2) \Rightarrow 2.5 I_x - 5 mA = 0 \Rightarrow I_x = 2 mA##.

Subbing into ##(1)## I see that ##I_1 = 4 mA##.

Am I applying those properly ^? Why did I not need the other nodes at all? Is this because there are four equations and only two unknowns?

Would these be the correct equations for the upper right node and bottom right node respectively?

##(3) \quad I_1 - 1 mA - 1.5I_x = 0## <- Using this with ##(2)## gives the same answer.

##(4) \quad 1 mA + 1.5I_x = 0## <- This does not make any sense and I'm not quite sure why. Is there current flowing out of this node?
 
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Your first equation is fine, and the rest may be fine too, but I got vertigo when you chose the bottom right node for your second equation. A more typical approach would be to call the bottom node ground, and write your second KCL equation for the top right node. Do you get the same answer doing it that way?
 
berkeman said:
Your first equation is fine, and the rest may be fine too, but I got vertigo when you chose the bottom right node for your second equation. A more typical approach would be to call the bottom node ground, and write your second KCL equation for the top right node. Do you get the same answer doing it that way?

Indeed ##(3)## and ##(2)## in combination give the same answer as ##(1)## and ##(2)##.

So the bottom right node would be a reference to ground?
 
Zondrina said:
Indeed ##(3)## and ##(2)## in combination give the same answer as ##(1)## and ##(2)##.

So the bottom right node would be a reference to ground?

The whole bottom line is one node, and yes, normally I would label it as ground.
 
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