Solving e^x and y for x & y: Why is it Wrong?

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In summary: This tells you that there can be no real value of x so that this equation holds. Hence the equations have no solution.
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Homework Statement


e^x*cosy=0
-e^x*siny=0

The Attempt at a Solution


Since they both equal to 0 I set them equal to each other:
e^x*cosy = -e^x*siny
I can cancel the e^x and I get:
tany = -1

Thus y = 7π/4 + n where n is an integer.

However this is incorrect when I plug it back into the original set of equations. Why is this wrong?
 
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theBEAST said:
Since they both equal to 0 I set them equal to each other:
e^x*cosy = -e^x*siny
I can cancel the e^x and I get:
tany = -1

Thus y = 7π/4 + n where n is an integer.

However this is incorrect when I plug it back into the original set of equations. Why is this wrong?

because you threw away information :rolleyes:

you started with two equations, and you ended with only one

you need two independent equations (for example, by subtracting instead of adding)

alternatively, just solve each original equation separately!
 
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What you get is correct, but you missed a further step which disproves the existence of a solution. Put [itex]y=3\pi/4[/itex] in [itex]cos(y)[/itex] for the first equation, and you get

[itex]e^xcos(y) = 0[/itex]

[itex]-e^x = 0[/itex]

This tells you that there can be no real value of x so that this equation holds. Hence the equations have no solution.
 
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As posted above, this system has no solution for real x and y. Here's a slightly different line of reasoning.

You started off with

[tex]e^x cos(y)=0[/tex]
[tex]-e^x sin(y)=0[/tex]

Note that in the second equation, we can get rid of the minus sign:

[tex]e^x cos(y)=0[/tex]
[tex]e^x sin(y)=0[/tex]

Now, we know that [itex]e^x[/itex] is never equal to [itex]0[/itex] for all [itex]x \in ℝ[/itex], so in each equation, we must have the other term in the product equal to [itex]0[/itex]. That is, we must have [itex]cos(y) = 0 = sin(y)[/itex].

But from our knowledge of the unit circle, we know that this is never possible. In fact, since [itex]sin^2(x)+cos^2(x)=1[/itex], whenever either function is equal to [itex]0[/itex], the other is equal to [itex]±1 ≠ 0.[/itex]
 

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