Solving for x in the Inequality cos(x) ≤ 5/3

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The discussion revolves around the inequality cos(x) ≤ 5/3, with a focus on understanding its implications within the interval -2π ≤ x ≤ 2π. Participants express confusion regarding the validity of the inequality, given that the cosine function's range is limited to [-1, 1].

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the meaning of the inequality, particularly why it includes the "equal to" aspect when cos(x) cannot exceed 1. There is also discussion about the possibility of a transcription error in the problem statement.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the inequality and its implications. Some suggest that the inequality is valid for the entire range, while others remain skeptical about its correctness.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential misprints in the textbook from which the problem is derived, as well as the possibility that the inequality might have been intended to be cos(x) ≤ 3/5 instead of cos(x) ≤ 5/3.

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Homework Statement


Hello!

The task is to express the exact answer in interval notation, restricting your attention to -2π ≤ x ≤ 2π.

Homework Equations


The given inequality:
cos(x) ≤ 5/3

The Attempt at a Solution



I have only one doubt here, and I don't see my mistake.
I see that if cos(x) was strictly less than (namely <) 5/3, then the answer is [-2π, 2π].

But the inequality says that cos(x) is less or equal to 5/3, but cos(x) can't be equal to any number larger than 1, because its range is [-1, 1]. Why then this inequality is considered having any solutions at all (because of this "equal to" sign)?

Thank you!
 
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≤ means "less than or equal to." If a < b is true, then a ≤ b is necessarily true.
 
DrClaude said:
≤ means "less than or equal to." If a < b is true, then a ≤ b is necessarily true.
Yes, of course. That is why I am curious to see my mistake. My question is not about how to interpret the ≤ sign, but why it is there at all: as I said in my post, cos(x) cannot be bigger than 1, and 5/3 is obviously bigger than 1.
 
I don't see why you are bothered by the ≤ but not by the 5/3. They are both arbitrary choices.
 
DrClaude said:
I don't see why you are bothered by the ≤ but not by the 5/3. They are both arbitrary choices.
Well, because if the inequality states that cos(x) has to be less or equal to some number, then both choices should be valid; but in this case the choice of equality is invalid, hence the whole expression should be invalid. Why this presumption is incorrect?
 
Vital said:
Well, because if the inequality states that cos(x) has to be less or equal to some number, then both choices should be valid
No, this is exactly what I pointed out above: it is or, not and. (And it has to be or, otherwise it could never be true.) 1 ≤ 2 is a true statement.
 
DrClaude said:
No, this is exactly what I pointed out above: it is or, not and. (And it has to be or, otherwise it could never be true.) 1 ≤ 2 is a true statement.
All right. :-) Thank you very much!
 
Sure you copied the question out right? cos (x) ≤ 3/5 is a more likely sounding condition for an exercise on.
 
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epenguin said:
Sure you copied the question out right? cos (x) ≤ 3/5 is a more likely sounding condition for an exercise on.
Glad you said that. No, of course, I copied it correctly, and hence my confusion. I also thought that cos(x) ≤ 3/5 sounds more logical here, and, honestly, I still think that cos(x) ≤ 5/3 is invalid and has no solutions, even if it we should read ≤ as a logical OR.
 
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Vital said:
I still think that cos(x) ≤ 5/3 is invalid and has no solutions, even if it we should read ≤ as a logical OR.
Better get that thought out of your mind. At one point, you have to accept things as they here, even if it is just a question of convention or speaking the same language as everyone else.
 
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DrClaude said:
Better get that thought out of your mind. At one point, you have to accept things as they here, even if it is just a question of convention or speaking the same language as everyone else.
:-)
 
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Vital said:
Glad you said that. No, of course, I copied it correctly, and hence my confusion. I also thought that cos(x) ≤ 3/5 sounds more logical here, and, honestly, I still think that cos(x) ≤ 5/3 is invalid and has no solutions, even if it we should read ≤ as a logical OR.

OK, often people here bang their heads against questions which later turn out to be students' mistranscriptions so I checked. But still in about a quarter of the remaining cases when the Profs setting the questions have been asked they say it was, or must have been, a typo or oversight. :oldbiggrin:

I'd say it's not that your inequality has no solution, rather that it is true for the whole of the given range.

If this is homework depending on situation and personality you might supplement yr answer adding 'if the question were ≤ 3/5 then ... ≤ x ≤... '...

It was reasonable, even creditable, to be puzzled.
 
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epenguin said:
OK, often people here bang their heads against questions which later turn out to be students' mistranscriptions so I checked. But still in about a quarter of the remaining cases when the Profs setting the questions have been asked they say it was, or must have been, a typo or oversight. :oldbiggrin:

I'd say it's not that your inequality has no solution, rather that it is true for the whole of the given range.

If this is homework depending on situation and personality you might supplement yr answer adding 'if the question were ≤ 3/5 then ... ≤ x ≤... '...

It was reasonable, even creditable, to be puzzled.

Thank you. Well, no, I don't have any "authority" to "report" to as I study on my own, and this was one of exercises from the textbook.
 
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What date and what edition was the textbook? Authors are glad to receive queries about possible misprints or things that may be unintended or misleading.
 
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epenguin said:
What date and what edition was the textbook? Authors are glad to receive queries about possible misprints or things that may be unintended or misleading.
2013
 
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Vital said:
Glad you said that. No, of course, I copied it correctly, and hence my confusion. I also thought that cos(x) ≤ 3/5 sounds more logical here, and, honestly, I still think that cos(x) ≤ 5/3 is invalid and has no solutions, even if it we should read ≤ as a logical OR.

Why would you think that ##\cos(x) \leq 5/3## has no solutions?

The standard definition of ##a \leq b## is "##a## is less than ##b##, or ##a## is equal to ##b##". That is the universally-accepted definition of "##\leq##", and nobody (you included) has the right to change it. It does NOT say "##a## is less than ##b## and ##a## equals ##b##", because that would be impossible, no matter what values you choose for ##a,b##. It is absolutely true that ##1 \leq 5/3##, or ##1 \leq 10,000,000##; in fact ## \leq c## is true for any constant ##c## that is 1 or larger.
 

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