Solving for y' Derivative: 2 sinxcosy=1

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the equation 2 sin(x) cos(y) = 1, which involves implicit differentiation and the application of the product and chain rules in calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the use of the product rule and chain rule for differentiating the product of functions of x and y. There are attempts to clarify the correct application of these rules, with some participants questioning the initial steps taken in the differentiation process.

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The discussion is active with various interpretations of the differentiation process being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on the correct application of differentiation rules, while others are still questioning the validity of their approaches and results.

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There is a repeated emphasis on ensuring the correct application of differentiation rules, and some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and the steps involved in reaching a solution.

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Homework Statement


find the derivative of...
2 sinxcosy = 1


The Attempt at a Solution


(2 cosxcosy) * (cosy')
cos y' = -2 cosxcosy
y' = (-2 cosxcosy)/(cos)

I know that's not right but I am not sure where I am making the mistake.
 
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How do you find the derivative of f(x)g(y)?
 
EnumaElish said:
How do you find the derivative of f(x)g(y)?
use the product rule, f(x)g(y') + g(y)f(x')
 
BuBbLeS01 said:
use the product rule, f(x)g(y') + g(y)f(x')
you didn't do the product rule right
 
Can you use the chain rule? i think that's what I was trying to do. I was taking the derivative of the outside then the derivative of the inside.
 
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You can apply the chain rule to g(y) (for example, g'(y) dy/dx), but you still have a product to sort through.
 
so if you use the product rule you would get...
(2sinx -siny') + (2cosxcosy) = 0
 
Write out the formula for [f(x)g(y)]'. Then substitute in f(x) = 2 sin x, g(y) = cos y, f '(x) = ... and g'(y) = ...
 
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f(x)g(y') + f(x')g(y)
sinxy' + 2cosxcosy
 
  • #10
okay that's not right... it should be...
2cosxcosy - 2sinxsinyy' = 0
2cosxcosy - 2y'sinxsiny = 0
y' = -2cosxcosy/-2sinxsiny
 
  • #11
BuBbLeS01 said:
f(x)g(y') + f(x')g(y)
It should be f(x)g'(y)y' + f '(x)g(y).
 
  • #12
oh ok...so is that answer right now?
2cosxcosy - 2sinxsinyy' = 0
2cosxcosy - 2y'sinxsiny = 0
y' = -2cosxcosy/-2sinxsiny
 
  • #13
Do you think it is right?

Write out f(x)g'(y)y' + f '(x)g(y).

State f(x) and g(x).

State f '(x) and g'(y).

Make the substitutions.
 
  • #14
yes I do think its right...

2sinxcosy
f(x) = 2sinx
g(x) = cosy
f'(x) = 2cosx
g'(y) = -sinyy'

2cosxcosy - 2sinxsinyy' = 0
2cosxcosy - 2y'sinxsiny = 0
y' = -2cosxcosy/-2sinxsiny
 
  • #15
I think you're right. You can cancel out the minuses.
 
  • #16
ok thank you!
 
  • #17
BuBbLeS01 said:
ok thank you!
you still have 1 more step

what is cosine/sine?
 
  • #18
BuBbLeS01 said:

Homework Statement


find the derivative of...
2 sinxcosy = 1


The Attempt at a Solution


(2 cosxcosy) * (cosy')
cos y' = -2 cosxcosy
y' = (-2 cosxcosy)/(cos)

I know that's not right but I am not sure where I am making the mistake.
[2 sinxcosx]'= 2 [(sin(x)' cos(x)+ sin(x) cos(x)']
 

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