Solving Formula of Forces Homework

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The discussion centers on the formula for force, initially presented as ρ(L^2)(v^2) and questioned regarding its validity alongside ρ(L^3). Participants debate the proportionality of force to L^4, with some suggesting that the relationship between dimensions must remain consistent due to physical constants like viscosity. Clarifications are sought about the meaning of variables such as Fr and the relevance of gravity in the equations. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the complexities of dimensional analysis in physics and the need for precise definitions to validate the formulas used. The accuracy of the author's original equations remains uncertain without further context.
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from the notes , the author stated that force has the formula of ρ(L^2)(v^2) and also = ρ(L^3)
i think there's something wrong with the ρ(L^3)
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IMO , ρ(L^2)(v^2) can also be written as ρ(L^4)(T^2) , so Force is proportional to L^4 , am i right . ? IMO, the prototype force should be [ (100^4) ] x 0.12 N

correct me if i am wrong ...
 
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I'm not sure, but in your picture, one is ##\rho## and the other is ##\rho_r.## Maybe there is detailed definitions in the problem?
 
tommyxu3 said:
I'm not sure, but in your picture, one is ##\rho## and the other is ##\rho_r.## Maybe there is detailed definitions in the problem?
rho r is actually r , it's the pi buckingham theorem
 
foo9008 said:
ρ(L^2)(v^2) can also be written as ρ(L^4)(T^2) , so Force is proportional to L^4
I guess you mean ρ(L^4)(T^-2), but either way it does not follow. The whole point of figuring out these dimensionless expressions is that you cannot change the scale of L and assume T fixed, etc. There are physical constants in the system, like viscosity, which impose a relationship between the fundamental dimensions. Changing L keeping T etc. fixed will therefore change the viscosity.
Similarly, density fixes a relationship between M and L.
 
haruspex said:
I guess you mean ρ(L^4)(T^-2), but either way it does not follow. The whole point of figuring out these dimensionless expressions is that you cannot change the scale of L and assume T fixed, etc. There are physical constants in the system, like viscosity, which impose a relationship between the fundamental dimensions. Changing L keeping T etc. fixed will therefore change the viscosity.
Similarly, density fixes a relationship between M and L.
Then, what is the correct formula of force in this question?
 
haruspex said:
I guess you mean ρ(L^4)(T^-2), but either way it does not follow. The whole point of figuring out these dimensionless expressions is that you cannot change the scale of L and assume T fixed, etc. There are physical constants in the system, like viscosity, which impose a relationship between the fundamental dimensions. Changing L keeping T etc. fixed will therefore change the viscosity.
Similarly, density fixes a relationship between M and L.
so , the author is correct ? it is (rho)(L^2)(L ) , where (v^2) = L ??
 
foo9008 said:
so , the author is correct ? it is (rho)(L^2)(L ) , where (v^2) = L ??
I'm hampered by not knowing what Fr stands for in the first line.
I presume F=ρL2V2 comes from some earlier work.
If we accept both of those equations, the rest follows.
 
haruspex said:
I'm hampered by not knowing what Fr stands for in the first line.
I presume F=ρL2V2 comes from some earlier work.
If we accept both of those equations, the rest follows.
So, the authors working is correct??
 
foo9008 said:
So, the authors working is correct??
I'm not sure. I don't know where the first line of equations comes from, or what Fr represents. I'm surprised to see any reference to g here. How is gravity relevant? If gravity were to increase but the densities, masses, and lengths stay the same, those equations seem to say the velocity would increase. Why?
 
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