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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to a damped harmonic oscillator, specifically d²y/dt² + 2 dy/dt + 6y = 10sin(ωt). Participants are attempting to find the displacement function, period, and amplitude, while also addressing the amplitude reduction over time. There is confusion regarding the use of roots from the homogeneous equation and the particular solution for the inhomogeneous equation. Clarifications are made about the absence of a damping factor (γ) in the context of the problem, and the need to solve a system of equations for the coefficients A and B in the particular solution. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of solving the equations and the need for a clearer understanding of the parameters involved.
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Homework Statement



1) The equation of the particle on one dimension given by;

d^2y/dt^2 + 2 dy/dt + 6y = 10sinωt

a) Find the displacement as a function of time.
b) find T= ? A=? (period,amplitude)

2) Show that the amplitude of the vibration damping halved on time 1,39/γ.
3)On one LC circuit;
C = 100mikroF and resonance frequency is 2MHz.Find the value of coil. (L)

Homework Equations

General form = d^2y/dt+γdy/dt+y=F0cosωt
And I don't know can we use this formula but maybe can help;
A=-F0/m /(ω^4+γ^2ω^2)^1/2

d^2θ/dt^2 = -W0^2q

The Attempt at a Solution

I just tried to use the formula for amplitude but there's no mass.And I don't have an idea about 2 and 3.
 
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Do you know how to solve the homogeneous equation y'' + ay' + by = 0?
 
Do you know how to solve the homogeneous equation y'' + ay' + by = 0?

y=c1e^r1x+c2er^2x (distinct) if we have two root,
y= c1e^rx+c2xe^2x (repeated) if we have one root,
y= e^θx*(c1cos(Bx)+c2sin(Bx)
 
d^2y/dt^2 + 2 dy/dt + 6y = 10sinωt

I found imaginer roots ;

r1 = (-1-10i)
r2 = (-1+10i)

But MATLAB says that roots are ;

-1.0000 + 2.2361i
-1.0000 - 2.2361i

So, what? is it a non-lineer homogenous dif eq.?

IF we use the general solution formula ;

y= e^θx*(c1cos(Bx)+c2sin(Bx)

where can we use our roots?Edit : -1.0000 + 2.2361i
-1.0000 - 2.2361i are roots.I have forgot to take the square root of ∇
 
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y'' + 2y' + 6y = 10sinωt

r1=(-1 + 2,236)i
r2=(-1-2,2236)I

Yp = Asinωt + Bcosωt
Y' = ωAcosωt -ωBsinωt
Y'' = -ω^2Asinωt - ω^2Bcosωt

(-ω^2Asinωt-ω^2Bcosωt)+2ωAcosωt-2ωBsinωt+6Asinω+6Bcosωt=10sinωt

-ω^2A-2ωB+6A=10
-ω^2B+2ωA+6B=0

A = 10/(-ω^2)+6b
B=0

Yp=10/(-ω^2)+6bsinωt

y= e^θx*(c1cos(Bx)+c2sin(Bx)+10/(-ω^2)+6bsinωt
 
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So can you answer all the questions now?
 
No.Because my expression is so complex :D
 
Erbil said:
No.Because my expression is so complex :D
Did you verify that it satisfies the equation?
 
haruspex said:
Did you verify that it satisfies the equation?

No? How can I do it? Where can I use roots.
 
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Your solution for the roots of the homogeneous equation was correct and leads to
y = Ae(-1+i√5)t+Be(-1-i√5)t
You can rewrite that as
y = e-t(C cos(αt) + D sin(αt)) where α=√5.
Don't confuse that α with the given ω.
Now we just have to find a particular solution for the inhomogeneous equation. Clearly this will be of the form A cos(ωt) + B sin(ωt) (different A and B from before).
you correctly obtained
2A-2ωB+6A=10
2B+2ωA+6B=0
but I don't understand where you went from there. How did you deduce B = 0?
Wrt q 2, what is γ in this context?
 
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haruspex said:
Your solution for the roots of the homogeneous equation was correct and leads to
y = Ae(-1+i√5)t+Be(-1-i√5)t
You can rewrite that as
y = e-t(C cos(αt) + D sin(αt)) where α=√5.
Don't confuse that α with the given ω.
Now we just have to find a particular solution for the inhomogeneous equation. Clearly this will be of the form A cos(ωt) + B sin(ωt) (different A and B from before).
you correctly obtained
2A-2ωB+6A=10
2B+2ωA+6B=0
but I don't understand where you went from there. How did you deduce B = 0?
Wrt q 2, what is γ in this context?

2A-2ωB+6A=10
2B+2ωA+6B=0 I can't solve it.I had a mistakes.I just figure now.There's no γ in my context.
 
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Erbil said:
2A-2ωB+6A=10
2B+2ωA+6B=0 I can't solve it.
You still can't solve it? ω is a given constant here. It's just a pair of linear simultaneous equations in A and B.
There's no γ in my context.
Q2 reads:
2) Show that the amplitude of the vibration damping halved on time 1,39/γ.​
 
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