Solving Second Moment of Area for Beam w/ Missing Circle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the second moment of area (I) for a beam that has a missing circular section. Participants are exploring how to account for the geometry of the beam, which transitions from a square to a rectangular shape, and the implications of these changes on the calculation of I.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to calculate I for the beam with the missing circle and questions the approach to combining the moments of area for different shapes.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the purpose of calculating I, indicating a need for a complete problem statement.
  • A suggestion is made to first calculate the moment of area for the square without the hole and then subtract the moment of area for the circular section to find the total I for the shape.
  • There is a discussion about the need to apply the parallel axis theorem for the square with the hole and the rectangular section, although this is later questioned by another participant.
  • One participant points out a potential error in the formula for Ixx provided in the initial post and asks for clarification on whether the calculation is intended for the x-axis or y-axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to calculating I, and multiple competing views and methods are presented. There is also uncertainty regarding the application of the parallel axis theorem and the correct formula for I.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning the geometry of the beam and the definitions of the axes for the moment of area calculations.

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Homework Statement



I'm having a problem calculating the I value for this beam. I'm not sure on how to account for the missing circle in the front square and how to account for the beam changing from a 1" x 1" square to a 5" x 0.5" beam


Homework Equations



Ixx = bh^12/12

The centroid of the beam is around x = 2.89711 in

The thickness of the beam is the same and so is it's density


The Attempt at a Solution



Here is a picture of the beam


**If there was no missing circle, could I just add I_square + I_rect = I_total? **
 

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ganondorf29:
The reason why you need to calculate I (2nd moment of area) is not clear. Please include a complete statement of the problem you are trying to solve.
 
ganondorf29 said:

The Attempt at a Solution



Here is a picture of the beam


**If there was no missing circle, could I just add I_square + I_rect = I_total? **


First thing, just get I for the square (with no hole in it) and then subtract the I for a cylinder. That will give you the I for the shape.

Second thing: The I that you get will be about its own centroid, not the centroid of the beam. So you need apply parallel axis theorem for the square (with the hole) and the rectangular section before you add them up.
 
Do you want the I about the x-axis, or the y-axis? If about the x-axis, the parallel axis theorem as suggested by rockfreak does not apply. You made a mistake in your formula for Ixx in post #1. Can you see what the error is?
 
rock.freak667 said:
First thing, just get I for the square (with no hole in it) and then subtract the I for a cylinder. That will give you the I for the shape.

Second thing: The I that you get will be about its own centroid, not the centroid of the beam. So you need apply parallel axis theorem for the square (with the hole) and the rectangular section before you add them up.


EDIT: Pongo is right, forget my parallel axis thing, I keep substituting I with J.
 

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