Solving Tension on Slope w/ 2 Packages

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The discussion revolves around calculating the tension in the rope connecting two sliding packages on a ramp inclined at 30 degrees. Package A, with a mass of 4 kg and a kinetic friction coefficient of 0.3, is 6m down the ramp, while Package B, weighing 8 kg with a coefficient of 0.2, is 4m above A. The initial confusion stems from the teacher's assertion that the tension is zero due to the rope being slack, despite the user's calculations suggesting otherwise. The user attempts to derive the tension using force equations for both packages but struggles to reconcile the results, particularly regarding the accelerations and the implications of friction coefficients. The conversation emphasizes the need to clarify the relationship between tension and acceleration in this system.
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The question: Two packages have just started sliding down a ramp that forms an angle of 30 degrees with the horizontal. They are connected with a rope. Package A is 6m up along the ramp, with a mass of 4 kg and a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.3. Package B is directly above 4 m further up the ramp, with mass of 8kg and a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.2. The packages are placed such that if B began moving and A did not, B would have to go through A to move down, i.e they cannot pass each other on the side.

1) Find the tension in the rope just after they start sliding.
2) Find the velocity of both packages when package A arrives at the bottom of the ramp.

I am not sure how to approach this problem. My teacher wrote on my test that T=0 because the rope is slack. He then wrote that the final velocity of package A was 5.5m/s (although I cannot read his handwriting) and that the final velocity of package B was 7.7m/s.

Please help! My approach was to sum the forces in the direction of the ramp for each box like so:

BOX A: ƩFx = mbox-aa = mgsin(30) - T - μkmgcos(30)
BOX B: ƩFx = mbox-ba = mgsin(30) + T - μkmgcos(30)

But I could not derive T becoming 0. Thank you all.
 
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If T > 0 then the two accelerations are the same.
a = gsin(30) - T/ma - μkagcos(30)
a = gsin(30) + T/mb - μkbgcos(30)
What do you get if you combine those equations, eliminating a, and use the fact that μka > μkb?
 
haruspex said:
If T > 0 then the two accelerations are the same.
a = gsin(30) - T/ma - μkagcos(30)
a = gsin(30) + T/mb - μkbgcos(30)
What do you get if you combine those equations, eliminating a, and use the fact that μka > μkb?

I'm not quite sure what I am supposed to get. I get T/ma + T/mb= -gcos(30)
[I substituted μka with 2 and μkb with 1 for simplicity]
 
cjavier said:
I'm not quite sure what I am supposed to get. I get T/ma + T/mb= -gcos(30)
[I substituted μka with 2 and μkb with 1 for simplicity]
So can T be positive?
 
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