Solving the Curvature Problem for Curve C

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The discussion focuses on deriving the curvature K for a curve defined by the polar equation r=f(theta). Participants discuss the necessary derivatives of the curve's x and y components, represented as x=r*cos(theta) and y=r*sin(theta). There is confusion regarding the substitution of these derivatives into the curvature formula, particularly in distinguishing between scalar and vector forms. One participant arrives at a different expression for curvature, K=1/(r^2 + 1)^(1/2), but struggles to connect it with the original formula provided. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly computing and substituting the first and second derivatives of the vector function f(theta).
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A Curve C is given by the polar equation r=f(theta). Show that the curvature K at the point (r, theta) is
K=|2(r')^2 - rr'' + r^2|
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[(r')^2 + r^2]^(3/2)

*Represent the curve by r(theta) = r<cos theta, sin theta>

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I have so far taken the first and second derivatives of x= r cos Theta and y=r sin theta
and I know that the formula below is probably involved but i don't know how
K(t) = ||r'(t) X r''(t)||
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||r'(t)||^3
 
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Write your second formula K(theta)=|f'(theta) X f''(theta)|/|f'(theta)|^3 where f(theta)=r(theta)*[cos(theta),sin(theta)]. Now put your derivatives of f(theta) in. Your presentation above has too many r's in it. Is that what's confusing?
 
yea, i dnt know exactly what I'm doing when I am plugging things in.. like f(theta) is a vector?.. f(theta) = r cos theta + r sin theta... or... I just don't understand :( but i get the math, just not what I am subsituting..
 
f(theta) IS a vector [r(theta)*cos(theta),r(theta)*sin(theta)]. Those are the x and y components. Consider theta a parameter of the curve, like t.
 
i got that the actual K should be 1/ (r^2 + 1)^(1/2) which i can't seem to relate to the K given.. when i subsitute it, it's too messy
 
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i got that the actual K should be 1/ (r^2 + 1)^(1/2) which i can't seem to relate to the K given.. when i subsitute it, it's too messy

How did you get that? I thought you were going to (or had) computed f'(theta) and f''(theta). That's the right way to go. Start with that.
 
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