Solving the Geneva Wheel Problem Homework

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The discussion revolves around solving the Geneva Wheel problem, focusing on deriving the relationship between angular velocities \(\omega_{\varphi}\) and \(\omega_{\theta}\). The user successfully found the equation \(\omega_{\varphi} = \omega_{\theta} \frac{\sqrt{2} \cos \theta - 1}{3 - 2\sqrt{2} \cos \theta}\) after a complex process involving trigonometric identities and derivatives. Despite achieving the correct solution, the user expresses frustration over the lengthy method and seeks a potentially simpler approach. Other participants acknowledge the correctness of the solution while suggesting a review of trigonometric aspects for clarity. The conversation highlights the challenges of motion analysis in mechanical systems.
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This is in the section of absolute motion analysis.

The Attempt at a Solution


I actually was able to solve the problem correctly, but it was annoyingly complicated and I'm curious as to whether there's a better way.

So, first off, I wanted to find a way to write \varphi in terms of \theta.

So, recognize that tan\varphi = Dsin\varphi/Dcos\varphi

The D*sin\varphi is always going to be equal to 100sinθ.

For cos\varphi it was a bit more tricky, but it's easy to recognize the relationship because the distance stays constant.

100√2 - 100cos(θ) = D*cos\varphi

So now we have:

tan\varphi = 100sinθ/(100√2 - 100cosθ)

And now I take the derivative. This is a quotient rule, and the derivative is going to be with respect to time, so through the chain rule we will have our angular velocities pulled out. Note that this derivative has been simplified from the raw form just a little.

sec2\varphi*ωphi = ωθ (√2*cosθ - 1)/(√2 - cosθ)2

So now the next conundrum is how to get rid of the damn sec2\varphi

Well, we recongnize that sec = Hypotenuse / Adjacent side,

And we've solved for the adjacent side already, it is equal to the cos\varphi equation, which is:

100√2 - 100cosθ

But what is the hypotenuse? Well, by the pythagorean theorem:

H2 = (100sinθ)2 + (100√2 - 100cosθ)2

So, now we have our values, and since it is sec2\varphi, we will use:

H2 / B2

Which gives (after some more excessive simplifying):

ωphi(3 - 2√2 cosθ)/(√2 - cosθ)2 = ωθ (√2*cosθ - 1)/(√2 - cosθ)2

Now notice the denominators are the same, they cancel out. Then just divide to solve for the angular velocity with respect to \varphi

You GET:

ωphi = ωθ (√2 cosθ - 1)/(3 - 2√2 cosθ)

And that IS the correct answer, it's just that it took a really long time and a ton of failed attempts before I finally solved it. I'm just wondering if there's a better way! Thanks!
 

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Your approach looks about as straight-forward as I could make it. I don't quite get your answer, but I've probably tripped on the trig and have't gone back to check.

You know your answer is correct, so well done! :smile:
 
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