Some weird physics questions I'd like answering please

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This discussion explores hypothetical scenarios regarding the Earth's mass and diameter in relation to human activity and infrastructure, as well as the effects of another planet approaching Earth and its atmosphere. The questions raised touch on concepts of mass conservation, density, gravitational interactions, and potential atmospheric mixing.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Earth's diameter could decrease if population and infrastructure increase, questioning if this could be akin to crushing a tin can.
  • There is a suggestion that the net mass of the Earth is constant, with some noting that meteoroids add a small amount to this mass.
  • One participant questions whether people add to the mass of the Earth or if their existence balances out by consuming resources.
  • Another participant references an article suggesting that global warming may be increasing the mass of the Earth, raising questions about the implications of such changes.
  • There is a discussion on whether making materials denser could increase the Earth's mass without decreasing something else, with a claim that it does not.
  • Regarding the scenario of another planet approaching Earth, one participant notes that strong tidal effects would occur, potentially generating heat and causing disruption to life on Earth.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the gravitational forces between the planets would necessitate high speeds to maintain separation, or else a collision would occur rapidly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of human activity on Earth's mass and diameter, with no consensus on whether the Earth's mass is truly constant or how human existence affects it. The discussion about the approaching planet also reveals differing perspectives on gravitational effects and potential outcomes, indicating unresolved disagreements.

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Participants reference external articles and concepts, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about mass conservation, the effects of global warming, and the definitions of atmospheric limits. The discussion remains speculative without definitive conclusions.

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Hello there physicists!

Here are two questions I'd like you to answer please.

If the population keeps increasing and if we keep building infrastructure, could the Earth's diameter decrease? In other words, could we crush the Earth like crushing a tin can in the palm of our hands?

Surely the net mass of the Earth is constant; it's just that we have rearranged its minerals and ores into structures like buildings for our usage and they in fact both have the same mass.

What about people? Do they add to the mass of the Earth or does a person's existence decrease another 'resource', so everything balances out?

Does density matter? Is it possible to make something more dense and increase the mass of the Earth without decreasing something else in the process?

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If another planet slowly got closer to the Earth such that the Earth's atmosphere was touching the planet's atmosphere, would there be a reaction of some kind? Would heat be generated even if it moved at a rate of 1 cm per minute towards the Earth?

Is is possible for the Earth's atmosphere to connect to the other planets atmosphere such that a symbiotic relationship could exist between both planets? Would both atmosphere mix together and produce a different kind of 'diluted' atmosphere shrouding both planets like adding orange juice to water?

Thanks!
 
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Gondur said:
Surely the net mass of the Earth is constant;
Approximately. Meteoroids add a bit.

Gondur said:
What about people? Do they add to the mass of the Earth or does a person's existence decrease another 'resource', so everything balances out?
You never noticed that people eat stuff?
 
Gondur said:
Hello there physicists!

Here are two questions I'd like you to answer please.

If the population keeps increasing and if we keep building infrastructure, could the Earth's diameter decrease? In other words, could we crush the Earth like crushing a tin can in the palm of our hands?

Surely the net mass of the Earth is constant; it's just that we have rearranged its minerals and ores into structures like buildings for our usage and they in fact both have the same mass.

I believe you are correct. Basically we just keep rearranging stuff.

Overall it seems the planet is loosing mass. Explanation here..

http://science-beta.slashdot.org/story/12/02/02/1844205/is-the-earth-gaining-or-losing-mass


What about people? Do they add to the mass of the Earth or does a person's existence decrease another 'resource', so everything balances out?

The above article suggests that global warming is increasing the mass of the earth. Does that count?

Does density matter? Is it possible to make something more dense and increase the mass of the Earth without decreasing something else in the process?

Taking something on Earth and making it more dense doesn't increase the mass of the earth.

I suppose that article implies if you were to split the world oceans into hydrogen and oxygen then perhaps more hydrogen would leak into space making the Earth lighter. However that would cause other problems and effects.

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If another planet slowly got closer to the Earth such that the Earth's atmosphere was touching the planet's atmosphere, would there be a reaction of some kind? Would heat be generated even if it moved at a rate of 1 cm per minute towards the Earth?

Two planets orbiting each other in close proximity would cause strong tidal effects. I'm not an expert on this but I imagine that alone would heat up the planets as happens on Io...

http://www.planetaryexploration.net/jupiter/io/tidal_heating.html
 
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Gondur said:
If another planet slowly got closer to the Earth such that the Earth's atmosphere was touching the planet's atmosphere, would there be a reaction of some kind? Would heat be generated even if it moved at a rate of 1 cm per minute towards the Earth?

Depending on how one defines the limit of the atmosphere, the distance between the surfaces of the planets would be in the 100-1000 km range. That is (much) less than the radius of the Earth, and so the planets would exert a very strong gravitational force onto each other. So strong, that the planets would have to move at a very high speed with regard to each other to keep the separation - otherwise they would collide in a matter of minutes, if not seconds. Either way, this will be highly disruptive to everything on the Earth - including life, too.
 
voko said:
Depending on how one defines the limit of the atmosphere, the distance between the surfaces of the planets would be in the 100-1000 km range. That is (much) less than the radius of the Earth, and so the planets would exert a very strong gravitational force onto each other. So strong, that the planets would have to move at a very high speed with regard to each other to keep the separation - otherwise they would collide in a matter of minutes, if not seconds. Either way, this will be highly disruptive to everything on the Earth - including life, too.

The main problem would be the tidal forces:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit
 

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