Sound waves and speed of it in different reference frames

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The discussion centers on the speed of sound emitted from a moving cop car and how it is perceived by a stationary observer. It clarifies that the speed of sound is constant relative to its medium, which is air, meaning a stationary person will measure the speed of sound as C, regardless of the cop car's velocity. The cop, moving with the car, perceives the sound at a reduced speed of C - Vc due to their relative motion. This leads to the conclusion that the speed of sound does not change with the observer's frame of reference but is affected by their motion relative to the medium. Ultimately, both the cop and the stationary observer measure the speed of sound differently due to their respective velocities.
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Think at a cop car with a siren that moves with a velocity Vc, it emits a sound with a velocity C

Now think about a person that doesn't move, in front of the cop car, shouldn't he register that the speed of the sound emited is Vs= Vc+ C?

According to the galileian equations (true for v <<c light)

x= x' + Vc t (distance done by the sound wave according to the guy in front of the cop car)
x'= Ct (distance done by the sound wave according to the cop car frame of reference)

x= (C+ Vc) t

d/dt x = d/dt [ (C+Vc) t]

Vs= C + Vc

Is that correct? Does the speed of the wave change with the frame of reference?

Is because of that that the frequency changes? (Doppler effect)
 
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Cozma Alex said:
Now think about a person that doesn't move, in front of the cop car, shouldn't he register that the speed of the sound emited is Vs= Vc+ C?
No.

Realize that the speed of sound is C with respect to its medium, the air. So a person at rest with respect to the air will measure the speed of the sound as C.
 
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Doc Al said:
No.

Realize that the speed of sound is C with respect to its medium, the air. So a person at rest with respect to the air will measure the speed of the sound as C.

and... the cop? Why is he registering the same speed?

Ain't the cop and the person in relative motion?
 
Cozma Alex said:
and... the cop? Why is he registering the same speed?
He's not. Here's the basic formula:
Speed of sound with respect to cop = Speed of sound w.r.t. air + speed of air w.r.t cop = C - Vc.

Cozma Alex said:
Ain't the cop and the person in relative motion?
Definitely.
 
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Basically, it will travel slower relative to the car and the speed of sound relative to the ground
 
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