Special relativity-analogy of rotation

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the Lorentz transformations and the analogy of rotation in special relativity. Participants analyze the equation $(x')^2 + (y')^2 + (z')^2 - c^2(t')^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - c^2t^2$, noting that it does not hold true. The focus is on manipulating the Lorentz transformations to demonstrate that the left-hand side does not equal the right-hand side, particularly due to dimensional inconsistencies. A key point made is that restoring the square in the numerator of $t'^2$ leads to a valid equation, confirming the relationship. The conversation concludes with an affirmation of the correct manipulation of the equations, highlighting the importance of maintaining dimensional consistency in physics.
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Homework Statement


Analogy to rotation:
$$(x')^2+(y')^2+(z')^2-c^2(t')^2=x^2+y^2+z^2-c^2t^2$$
It isn't

Homework Equations


Lorentz transformations:
$$x'=\frac{x-ut}{\sqrt{1-u^2/c^2}}$$
$$t'=\frac{t-ux/c^2}{\sqrt{1-u^2/c^2}}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


##~(x')^2-c^2(t')^2~## must equal ##~x^2-c^2t^2## but it isn't so:
$$\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})}{1-u^2/c^2}\neq x^2-c^2t^2$$
 
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Perhaps if you restore the square in the numerator of t'2 you'll fare better :rolleyes: $$
\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})^2}{1-u^2/c^2}\ = x^2-c^2t^2 \ \ !$$
 
$$\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})^2}{1-u^2/c^2}\ =\frac{x^2-2xut+u^2t^2-c^2t^2+2cxut-u^2x^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
$$=\frac{(1-u^2)x^2+(c-1)2xut+(u^2-c^2)t^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
 
Nonsense. ##c## only occurs as ##c^2## so you can't have a ##c^1## in there. Another check you should do: dimensions: they don't fit !
 
$$\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})^2}{1-u^2/c^2}\ =...=\frac{x^2+u^2t^2-c^2t^2-u^2x^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
$$=\frac{(1-u^2)x^2+(u^2-c^2)t^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
 
Numerator dimensions aren't the same: can't have ##x^2## and ##u^2 x^2## side by side. :confused:
 
$$\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})^2}{1-u^2/c^2}\ =...=\frac{x^2+u^2t^2-c^2t^2-\frac{u^2}{c^2}x^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
$$=\frac{(1-\frac{u^2}{c^2})x^2+(u^2-c^2)t^2}{1-u^2/c^2}=x^2-c^2t^2$$
 
Bingo !
 
You are great, BvU
 
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