Special Relativity: Lenght contraction and a photon.

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The discussion centers on the nature of photons in the context of special relativity, specifically addressing the concept of length contraction and whether it applies to photons. Participants explore the implications of a photon's speed and its potential size, comparing it to that of electrons.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that since photons travel at maximum velocity, they may experience maximum length contraction, potentially explaining why their size cannot be measured.
  • Another participant notes that while electrons are considered point particles, they have an associated field that extends over a distance, whereas photons, being uncharged, are also point particles.
  • A different participant argues that discussions about attaching an inertial frame to a photon are meaningless, as relativity involves transformations between inertial frames that do not apply to light-speed particles.
  • It is mentioned that length contraction and time dilation do not apply to photons due to the absence of a rest frame for light-like particles.
  • One participant challenges the notion of photons as point particles in a classical sense, stating that they lack a well-defined position.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the nature of photons and the applicability of concepts like length contraction and rest frames. There is no consensus on whether photons can be considered point particles or how their properties relate to those of electrons.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the implications of relativity for particles traveling at the speed of light, as well as the definitions of size and position for photons and electrons.

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Reading an old thread (which is now closed or i would post the question there) there was a discussion about the size of a photon, and if it was an adequate question at all.

The discussion on the other thread couldn't agree on a response. Yet there was some postulates that could work with this idea I am bringing to you now:

In special relativity, one of the effects for a stationary viewer is length contraction, higher the speed, higher the contraction in the direction of the movement.
So, can we assume since a photon travels at maximun velocity, it has maximun contraction?
Maybe that could explain why we can't messure a size in a photon, and its duality? yet we can in an electron?

What would this means? a photon's size would be relative to origin and destination?

Am I talking nonsense? why?
 
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An electron is a charged particle. While the electron itself is considered a point, its field extends over a distance. A photon is also a point particle, but has no charge.
 
These types of questions are all misunderstandings of what relativity says. Relativity is about transformations between inertial frames. You can't attach an inertial frame to a photon since it moves at the speed of light so such musings are meaningless.

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Bill
 
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Remember length contraction and time dilation do not apply to photons or any particle with a light-like spacetime interval because there does not exist a rest frame for the particle by which to relatively measure time. Boosts to light-like vectors do not rotate them in spacetime.

Photons and electrons do not have sizes as the above poster said, they are point particles.
 
You can repeat it as often as you like, but photons are not point particles in any classical sense. They don't even have a well-defined position! I guess, it's really time that I write an Insight article on it!
 
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