Specific Heat Capacity - high pressure gas

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the specific heat capacity of Ethylene Dichloride (EDC) at elevated temperature and pressure conditions relevant to a cracking furnace application. Participants explore the challenges of obtaining specific heat values under non-standard conditions and share resources and insights related to gas properties in the petrochemical industry.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Experimental/applied
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks specific heat capacity values for EDC at 500 C and 2 MPa, noting the difficulty in finding data beyond standard conditions.
  • Another participant provides specific heat values for EDC at the requested conditions, but the source of this data is proprietary.
  • A participant expresses interest in the database mentioned, indicating its potential usefulness for similar applications.
  • A different participant discusses the variability of specific heat capacity with pressure for different gases, highlighting the need for comparative data across various gas types.
  • This participant requests references for specific heat data for multiple gases, indicating a willingness to exchange information or data in return.
  • A suggestion is made to consult a specific online resource for fluid properties, which may assist in the search for relevant data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the availability of specific heat data for EDC under the specified conditions, and multiple viewpoints regarding the variability of specific heat with pressure for different gases are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the availability of specific heat capacity data for non-standard conditions and the dependence on proprietary databases. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for further research into the behavior of various gases under different pressures.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers and engineers in the petrochemical industry, particularly those involved in thermal mass flow control and energy balance calculations in high-pressure environments.

Nathan Amery
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I am designing a cracking furnace to crack Ethylene Dichloride. the furnace is at around 500 C and 2 M Pa. To perform an energy balance I need the specific heat capacity of the EDC at the aforementioned temperature and pressure. I can only find it at standard conditions and can find no way of 'scaling it up' to my required conditions. Is there any way to do this?
 
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Hi Nathan,
The database I have gives:
Specific Heat, Cv (Btu/lb F) = 0.2921
Specific Heat, Cp (Btu/lb F) = 0.3184

(given Ethylene Dichloride (1,2-Dichloroethane) @ 500 C and 2 MPa)
 
QG: What database is this? Sounds like a keeper!
 
Yep, I love it! Unfortunately it's proprietary.
 
Thanks.

Thanks for the reply. Seems like a very handy database to have
 
Hi,

I'm involved in an effort to upgrade the thernal mass flow controllers used in the petrochemical industry.

I've noted that current MFCs have a weakness in that Cp specific heat capacitance changes as a function of pressure. For example 14% for N2 and near 0% for He. Density and Cp are the main drivers on sensor sensitity and it will change with pressure.

I will eventually need to test a couple of dozen gases. I want to get an idea of the monotomoica vs diatomic vs polyatomic influence before hand and afterward to compare my data existing references in the 0 to 4000 PSIA range.

I have not found much in the reference on many gases other than N2. Does anyone have any suggestions for references. I can trade data or maybe look at a specific gas as a quid per quo. We can do flamable, corrosive or nasty gases at our unique facility.

Thanks
Dan
 

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