Speed of a rocket using energy methods

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The discussion focuses on calculating the speed of a rocket at half its maximum altitude using energy methods. The correct speed at altitude h/2 is derived as v = (v0² + gh)^(1/2), with the x-component of velocity being approximately 0.799v0 and the y-component involving a more complex expression. Participants clarify the application of kinetic and potential energy equations, emphasizing the need to consider energy conservation at different altitudes. Confusion arises regarding the calculation of the y-component, particularly the role of the sine function in determining initial velocity components. Ultimately, the discussion resolves around correctly applying energy principles to find the desired velocities.
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Homework Statement


A rocket is launched such that when the fuel is exhausted, the rocket is moving with a speed of Vo at an angle of 37° with the horizontal and at an altitude h. (a) Use energy methods to find the speed of the rocket when its altitude is h/2. (b) Find the x and y components of velocity when the rockets altitude is h/2. Use the fact that Vx=Vxo = constant (since ax-0) and the result from a.


Homework Equations


The Kinetic and Potential energy equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I did
1/2mv2+mgy= E
and then I solved for v and got
v= (2Egy)1/2
the correct answer is (a) v = (v02 + gh)1/2
(b) vx= .799vo, vy= - (- 0.362vo2 +gh)1/2
I wasn't really sure how to approach this type of problem

 
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BrainMan said:

Homework Statement


A rocket is launched such that when the fuel is exhausted, the rocket is moving with a speed of Vo at an angle of 37° with the horizontal and at an altitude h. (a) Use energy methods to find the speed of the rocket when its altitude is h/2. (b) Find the x and y components of velocity when the rockets altitude is h/2. Use the fact that Vx=Vxo = constant (since ax-0) and the result from a.


Homework Equations


The Kinetic and Potential energy equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I did
1/2mv2+mgy= E
and then I solved for v and got
v= (2Egy)1/2
How did you manage to get that? It looks like you didn't do the algebra correctly.

the correct answer is (a) v = (v02 + gh)1/2
(b) vx= .799vo, vy= - (- 0.362vo2 +gh)1/2
I wasn't really sure how to approach this type of problem
 
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in a you solved for v wrong. You're attempting to do what they did, you just made a mistake that I think you can find.
When they say the speed at h/2, do they mean on the way up or down?
 
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I'm not sure and what could I do with that information?
 
BrainMan said:
1/2mv2+mgy= E
You have two instances where you can apply that equation: at the point where the fuel is exhausted, and again when it has descended to height h/2. Which term is the same at both points? What equation does that give you?
 
Is it that they both have the same amount of energy? So would you get something like 1/2mv2+mgy=1/2mv2+mgy?
 
BrainMan said:
Is it that they both have the same amount of energy? So would you get something like 1/2mv2+mgy=1/2mv2+mgy?
Yes, plugging in the appropriate values for v and y each side.
 
OK I get it but I am having trouble finding the y component. I did sin 37 to find the y component but it looks like in the answer they gave they have that number squared - (0.362vo2 +gh)1/2. Why is sin theta squared in this equation?
 
BrainMan said:
OK I get it but I am having trouble finding the y component. I did sin 37 to find the y component but it looks like in the answer they gave they have that number squared - (0.362vo2 +gh)1/2. Why is sin theta squared in this equation?

What is ##\ (v_0)_y\ ?\ ## Isn't sin(θ0) a factor of this?
 
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The initial speed in the y direction is Vo* sin(37). So shouldn't the equation be .601Vo instead of .362vo?
 
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BrainMan said:
The initial speed in the y direction is Vo* sin(37). So shouldn't the equation be .601Vo instead of .362vo?

If a speed is 0.601v, what is the square of that speed?
 
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OK I see how they got that answer. Thanks everyone!
 
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